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Originally posted by chavos
Yeah...i get that. You want to have a debate not worth having. Nobody can take the whole thing literally.
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Irrelevant. We're not debating about the Christians, we're debating about the events portrayed in the Bible. The only thing we're debating about is the Bible. Not the Christians who can't follow it word for word in life.
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So, it's like saying that Agatha Christie novels are evil because people die in them.
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Hardly. The Bible holds slavery, racism, mysgonism, etc. in a favorable light and demonstrates God killing, etc. For that reason, God depicted by the Bible is evil.
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Again...you miss the fact that this book is not, and cannot be placed in a vacuum. I'm not going to make an arguement for slavery, homophobia, or religious violence. They are horrible, sinful things...
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Slavery: Levicitus 25:44-46. God instructs the Israelites to take slaves.
Racism: Genesis 24:1-4. Abraham forces his servant to swear not to marry a Canaanite.
Homophobia: the already discussed Levicitus 20:13.
religious violence: Exodus 19:12. If you touch Mt. Sinai, you'll be put to death.
If you don't deny that these things haven't occured then you admit that the Bible is inherently immoral because it advocates completely immoral behavior.
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But it misses the point to take the bad out of context. And that's what that list is. It's a total exercize in seeing the forest for the trees....
Thank you. But if you'd read the material i'd posted, you'd see that there is a very good reason for making the distinction. The original hebrew is not entirely reflected in the English translation.
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Levicitus 20:9
For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.
Was that taken out of context?
Levicitus 20:15
And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.
Was that taken out of context? Kill the animal for being raped?
20:16
And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Was that taken out of context? Kill the animal for being raped?
I could go on and on. I won't bother arguing over the homosexuality in the Bible anymore. I'll just say you're right about the homosexuality being described in Levicitus 20:13 refers to temple prostitution. I don't need to dwell on homophobia on the Bible to make my point: The Bible itself describes many many injustices and cruelty in a
favorable light.
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I'm not going to repeat myself...feel free to read what i've already said. But i'm done with this debate. You've shown a consistant lack of respect...and i have no obligation to take your shit.
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Honestly, cry about it. Concession accepted.