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Old 06-30-2003, 04:04 PM   #27 (permalink)
Lebell
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Originally posted by KillerYoda
A bloody coup in Grenada, along with a perceived threat to American students on the island provided the U.S. with an excellent excuse to eliminate a Marxist regime allied to Fidel Castro's Cuba. We hate Cuba, due to losing economic interests with Castro’s coup, so we took out someone who would befriend the Cubans.
You are conjecturing about taking out a regime who would "befriend the Cubans".

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And apparently, I was surprised as hell by this, there is oil in Somalia:
http://www.somaliawatch.org/archivejuly/000922601.htm
And as I recall, we get no, zero, none, zilch oil from Somalia.

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As far as Bosnia though, I can’t find anything concrete enough. We might have actually done that one out of niceness. The only "alternate" reasons I’ve seen so far was we either did it to keep chaos in the Balkans (evidently it’s easier to be a world power when things aren’t organized there) or because we said we would intervene and didn’t want to lose face.
Yep, gotta find a reason to bash the US inspite of the lack of any evidence. Of course, I'll point out that Bosnia happened under Clinton.

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And for my sarcastic remark, 50 stars look better on the flag. [/B]
And it wasn't even funny. (Better hope that the Puerto Ricans never approve a statehood measure.)

Seriously, you know what my biggest beef is? You don't seem to realize that the government is basically run by pragmatists. Almost every post I see from you and a few others is "boo Bush, boo the imperialist Americans, boo the CIA" yada yada yada. I mean, Christ, I saw you had to drag up WATERGATE in another post to bolster your anti-repub views.

THIRTY FRIGGIN' YEARS AGO, DUDE!

Things aren't black and white and the government is not nearly the monolithic institution you seem to think it is. I'll agree, there are some institutions that are slow to change, but change they do.

Even in my own lifetime, we went from a Democratic president who escalated the Vietnam war, to a Republican president who took us out of Vietnam (but then proved himself a crook) to a Peanut Farmer to a Cowboy to Bush to a Sax Playing philanderer to the Son of Bush. And they have left their marks on institutions like the CIA, FBI, ATF, etc.

We've had things to be proud of, such as the moon landing, fall of the European communism, and the ouster of several dictators as well as things to be ashamed of, such Watergate, Contragate and Clinton's willie.

So open your eyes and realize that every administration has it's good points and bad points and that one sided bashing is simply blind foolishness.
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