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raeanna74 · 06-20-2003, 10:45 AM

Some of what I've thought out and heard on this subject is that God told them about it. Granted he new what would happen but he wanted to give them the choice to follow him or not to follow him. He did not want robots to just simply follow because they had no other choice. When you consider the knowledge that he knew what they would do he was not controlling what they would do but more or less it was no worse than a parent who knows a child's pentient for cookies, bakes cookies for the school bake sale, and finds a few cookies missing after leaving them to cool for a while. They knew the child would take some, they may have even instructed them not to but they did not personally control the child's choice. It would be disturbing to think that everything we are going to do is laid out already but technically it isn't it's simply forknown what choice we will make. We ourselves do not know that choice but since it wasn't chosen for us we must take the responsibility for that choice. I know some people even believe that the eternal destiny for our souls has even been chosen for us but it's really simply their circular reasoning that since it is forknown it's already planned and since it's planned (destiny) then it's foreknown. No matter what God or any other Supreme being has planned for us to do we are still making the choices, weighing the pros and cons, and doing what we in our own minds want to do.

FYI. God told Adam and Eve not to eat of the fruit in the center of the garden and even explained why. It wasn't until later that the Satan disguised as a serpent with legs (the serpent supposedly did have legs until God cursed him for tempting Adam and Eve) spoke to Eve. He suggested to her that God was withholding from her the knowledge that the tree would offer her and that the fruit tasted good and looked good. She took a bite and then went to offer it to Adam. She was the first to fall into the trap and she herself tempted Adam. Some believe that he thought of the punishment promised that they would begin to die from the moment they ate of it and did not want to be left alone again as he had been at first. It's possible that he took it knowing he would be punished and not being decieved about it. But that he took it not to be left behind. Once that occured though they were confronted by God and delt out their respective curses, he labor by the sweat of his brow for their sustenance, she pain in chilc birth and subservience to the man, and the serpent for allowing Satan to use him the handicap of being without legs.

I do agree that if God knows what we will do when presented with a temptation then why would he allow that temptation. It seems like trying to get a child to disobey just so you could punish it. I'm still trying to understand that one. If anyone can explain that one it would be appreciated.

06-20-2003, 10:45 AM	#6 (permalink)
raeanna74 I'm not a blonde! I'm knot! I'm knot! I'm knot! Location: Upper Michigan	Some of what I've thought out and heard on this subject is that God told them about it. Granted he new what would happen but he wanted to give them the choice to follow him or not to follow him. He did not want robots to just simply follow because they had no other choice. When you consider the knowledge that he knew what they would do he was not controlling what they would do but more or less it was no worse than a parent who knows a child's pentient for cookies, bakes cookies for the school bake sale, and finds a few cookies missing after leaving them to cool for a while. They knew the child would take some, they may have even instructed them not to but they did not personally control the child's choice. It would be disturbing to think that everything we are going to do is laid out already but technically it isn't it's simply forknown what choice we will make. We ourselves do not know that choice but since it wasn't chosen for us we must take the responsibility for that choice. I know some people even believe that the eternal destiny for our souls has even been chosen for us but it's really simply their circular reasoning that since it is forknown it's already planned and since it's planned (destiny) then it's foreknown. No matter what God or any other Supreme being has planned for us to do we are still making the choices, weighing the pros and cons, and doing what we in our own minds want to do. FYI. God told Adam and Eve not to eat of the fruit in the center of the garden and even explained why. It wasn't until later that the Satan disguised as a serpent with legs (the serpent supposedly did have legs until God cursed him for tempting Adam and Eve) spoke to Eve. He suggested to her that God was withholding from her the knowledge that the tree would offer her and that the fruit tasted good and looked good. She took a bite and then went to offer it to Adam. She was the first to fall into the trap and she herself tempted Adam. Some believe that he thought of the punishment promised that they would begin to die from the moment they ate of it and did not want to be left alone again as he had been at first. It's possible that he took it knowing he would be punished and not being decieved about it. But that he took it not to be left behind. Once that occured though they were confronted by God and delt out their respective curses, he labor by the sweat of his brow for their sustenance, she pain in chilc birth and subservience to the man, and the serpent for allowing Satan to use him the handicap of being without legs. I do agree that if God knows what we will do when presented with a temptation then why would he allow that temptation. It seems like trying to get a child to disobey just so you could punish it. I'm still trying to understand that one. If anyone can explain that one it would be appreciated. __________________ "Always learn the rules so that you can break them properly." Dalai Lama My Karma just ran over your Dogma.