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Killer Yoda:
It doesn't seem right to shit on him because he made a movie you don't agree with, or makes the "club" you're in look bad. Moore succeeds in making people think, whether Klebold and Harris bowled 300's or not.
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I haven't seent the movie (and haven't commented on it here), so that seems irrelevant. In fact if anything I would say I agree with many of the points I hear he makes.
My point seems to be one you would agree with
Yoda:
How can we criticise the hawks on the right for taking us to war basd upon lies and mistruths, if we don't *also* criticise the doves on the left (like Moore) for reaching conclusions based upon lies and mistruths.
I think Moore's conclusions are pretty on the button. And as with any truthful conclusion there are facts and statistics that one can back it up with. But when Moore then gies and ignores all of these genuine supporting facts (presumably because they aren't sexy enough) and then distorts other peoples research or just grabs figures from thin air to make what he says more dramatic, then he guilty of exactly the same offence as the lieing politicians he so despises.
If he is seen as the flag bearer for the critical left then when his deceptions are publically exposed a huge swathe of people will feel cheated and become dissillusioned with the left. The left (and I do not include the Democrats or New Labour as being such) will never have the financial backing or the advantage of incumbancy that the right and centre-right do. But what they do have is the truth and the facts to point to it. When Moore jeopordises that one, percious asset then he deserves to be brought to book.
From Moore's Oscar speech:
"We like non-fiction, yet we live in fictious times."
That is a fine statement, but it sounds hollow coming from a man who uses fiction as much as fact in his work.