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Originally posted by BooRadley
You can dump $10,000 in an ECONOMY car which was not engineering to perform on a sports car level. There is fundamental differences between ECONOMY cars and SPORTS cars, namely, suspension geometry, handling characteristics, and more durable components. How the hell do you think you charge very little for an economy car? Put on cheap ass components. A sports car comes out of the box ready to handle at higher speeds than civics and metros IN THE HANDS OF A TRAINED DRIVER. If you can't drive a RWD manual car, then yes, it is useless to get a true sports car.Yeah, you may pay more for non race stuff, but you remember aftermarket parts companies are in the game for profit. Turbos and superchargers are ridiculous amounts of cash. If you souped up a civic for $12,000 total , you would not beat a $12,000 Nissan 300Z in anything. Cept maybe winning trophies for outward appearance, as a $12k 300Z would be pretty beaten up . But they do exist.
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Yeah, OK. Suspension geometry (civics until recently had 4 wheel double wishbone suspension). Handling characteristics (this is influenced by steering gemonetry. The 88-91 civic/crx has long been hailed as one of the best handling cars on the road). Durable components. Hell man, we're comparing nissans and hondas. They're BOTH durable as hell. I know several people with 200k and 300k mile civics. These "economy" cars were still built to last.
And to lump a civic and a metro into the same category demonstrates a shocking lack of knowledge about those two vehicles. They had pretty much nothing in common.
BTW, for $10,000 in mods, you can get an integra motor, JR supercharger, street / race brakes (by that I mean slotted rotors plus porterfield R4S pads - the ones that work well on the track without being unsafe for the street), high performance (yoko AVS ES100) tires, race suspension and a mugen LSD into your civic, and probably still have some cash left over.
Also BTW when I talk about modding cars, I'm not talking about rice crap. Towelbar wings, body kits, stickers, neons, clear tails. . none of that crap sees my car.
You know, it irritates the crap out of me when people start bitching about "real" sports cars. How do you define that? RWD only? Guess that leaves the WRX out of the picture. Lamborghini Diablo is out too if it's got the AWD option. Or do you define it by marque - Hondas aren't sports cars but Porsches are? Wanna pit an S2000 or an NSX against a 914 some time?
The SCCA has a lot of front wheel drive cars that race in its events, including civics and CRX's. They have specific classes to put these cars in. Note that SCCA stands for SPORTS CAR club of America.
My point is that yeah, a stock civic may not be a sports car, but I'd argue that if you sink $10,000 into intelligently selected go-fast mods for the car it BECOMES a sports car.