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Nah, I figure it was their felony. If one of them died as a result, the others would be charged with murder. That's the way it should work.
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Haha, this is funny because later on in the thread you hound someone about black and white thinking.
THOSE PEOPLE DIDN'T MURDER OR HARM THEIR ACCOMPLICES AND SHOULD NOT BE CHARGED WITH THEIR INJURY OR DEATH. They should, however, be charged with crimes they committed.
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If you just have to charge the victim for something, let it be something like "illegal parking".
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I don't know if there are laws about vigilante justice (I'm guessing there are), but these robbers were punished without due process of law. If you think this fits the crime, then do you think they should be tried by the courts?
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trying to escape from the scene.
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Bullshit, he chased them down and ran over their vehicle. Self-defense is disabling your opponent enough to escape, not an excuse to kill or commit other crimes.
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Depends on the law. Some are written to break.
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I agree.
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in the end it is vigilantism. I want to stand on the side of the little guy who's had enough of a broken system where the victim has fewer rights than the offender. I really do.
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Me too, but I do not agree or support the person in this case.
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I can't agree. Given that the cops can't protect us, rather all they can do is come around with chalk, we have to protect ourselves when we're on the spot.
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Right, great excuse to pass up cops for vigilante justice, completely ignoring our constitutional right to due process of law.
Further, this was not protection.
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If the outcome of this story was "he shot them as they were leaving", I would still support him. They robbed him. With weapons. If someone were to threaten me with a weapon I would make them dead.
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Then be prepared to face the consequences. I'd rather be threatened with a gun than to murder them and give away my freedom in prison.
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No doubt he went a tad bit far, but lets not forget he was the victem to begin with.
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Lets not forget what he did at the end of the chase.
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did they get hurt? yes. did they deserve what they got exactly? maybe not. but they threw away their rights to being a free human by violating an innocent man and stealing his belongings. they willingly decided to be bullies. the willingly decided to prey on the weak to get easy money.
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Incorrect. If this was right, I believe, he would have to be arrested and have the right to a fair and speedy trial by peers. Due process, foo.
Where has the justice gone?
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i am a pacifist, believe it or not, but i will defend myself and my pets and family. I will never willingly hurt another person or animal unless it is in self defense, but believe you me: you attack me, I will have no problem ending your life.
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Believe you me: that isn't self-defense.
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what, that we hold ALL our citizens accountable for their actions?!? "Gee, I was kinda pissed, and decided to KILL the two people. you know, i figured their lives were worth the couple hundred bucks they lifted from my shop..." is NOT appropriate behavior. what's so hard about that?!!? YOURE NOT ALLOWED TO KILL OR MAIM OTHER HUMAN BEINGS. When it all boils down to it, that's what you're looking at. no matter what, KILLING IS WRONG. This should be a basic law of humanity. do not kill your fellow man. This flows over into attempted killings as well.
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OH COME ON CHEERIO, WHEN YOU ARE VICTIMIZED YOU CAN DO ANYTHING YOU WANT. NOBODY NEEDS STINKY ROBBERS, WE SHOULD TIE THOSE PEOPLE UP AND BLEED THEM OUT OF THEIR SPINES WITH RUSTY SAFETY PINS, THIS IS TOTALLY JUST. WHEN YOU COMMIT CRIMES YOU TIE YOURSELF UP AND PUT SAFETY PINS IN YOUR OWN SPINE AND STUFF, YA KNOW? Heh.
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Maybe if more people reacted the way that this guy did, these scumbags would think twice about trying score some "easy money" by sticking a place up.
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If I were going to rob a store knowing it was likely the owner would chase me down and fuck with me, I'd most likely disable or murder him. Simple as that. If I'm going to commit a crime, I'm going to do what I can to get away with it.
Actually, now that I think about it some more, I'd probably find a store with a more reasonable owner to rob.
Second, this completely ignores due process. What the fuck?
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I think the co-owner was in the wrong here. Now before you jump all over me for saying that, let me say this as well. Had the co-owner had a gun in the store and shot the bastards while they were in the store robbing him, I would be the first in line to congratulate him.
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I probably would be too.
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However he made a willful act to chase them down. This is no longer protecting himself, but has now become public endangerment and is proven by him putting 2 people in the hospital.
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Everyone please re-read the bolded text.
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And if I were to catch the asshole(s) who broke into my car last month, I'd try everything I could to recover my property.
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That is not what happened here.