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Originally Posted by roachboy
ace, dear, that a sociopath can rationalize being a sociopath doesn't make the sociopath any less a sociopath.
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First, I get the underlying point and won't pretend that I don't the way others do around here. So, I make it perfectly clear that I know what I am and I will proudly and honestly state it. I am an extremist. I have a big ego. I never compromise on issues of importance. I have strongly held biases. Etc. Etc. Etc. We have been through my ( and people like me) "issues" several times.
Your (and people like you) problem is that you are shocked that people like me exist, you wish we would go away and be quiet. However, you in fact , have to deal with and interact with us. But you are at a loss, you don't know what to do. So, I say that I will not support any tax increases and you spend 8 months trying to shame me, embarrass me, ridicule me, threaten me, etc., etc., into changing my view. It does not work. You waste time and get frustrated. You never stop and ask the question what would actually work. You never try to understand the differences. You will forever be a victim of your ignorance in these dealings.
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no-one in their right mind points to the relative stability of bond yields right now to demonstrate anything beyond the fact that investors in the main expect that this sociopathic game of chicken the right is playing will ultimately resolve.
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That is what I have been saying from the beginning.
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i assume that what we'll see, should this stupid, unnecessary game come undone, is a concerted offensive from the right media apparatus to reframe it as somehow obama's fault. but no-one is fooled. no-one at all. approval ratings for the republicans are hovering at about 20% now. this happens and the right is fucked.
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Obama is folding like a lawn chair. Like I said Obama presented a false crisis with a false deadline, I doubt there will be anything that his fault. In fact Republicans are pretty much getting what they wanted from the very beginning.
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there's a side of me that is looking forward to laughing as the tea party nutcases drive straight into a wall, saying all the way into it that there is no wall.
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The ultimate game of chicken. Do you think I ever lost that game as a child even when the threat was real? There are some real risks in dealing with "crazy" people - what I have learned is to never challenge a person who is "crazier" than I am. Perhaps, I am not as "crazy" as I may appear to be, given the fact I really only take calculated risks. If I know you will fold first, I will play that game all day long.
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o, and trust me, ace, there was nothing complimentary in my saying that the tea party is ace on a national scale. nothing whatsoever.
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The compliment is being associated with winning. A small number of Tea Party freshmen controlled the Washington agenda and will win. what does that say about the others?
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Originally Posted by Derwood
I can't wait to hear Ace's spin on how Obama's speech was weak and lacking leadership while Boehner's was the epitome of political guile and gumption
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What about your spin on it? Didn't he spend half the speech blaming others, and then saying we should have the "balanced" approach that is not even being currently considered! Then he lied about the consequences of not raising the debt ceiling. The US will not default on debt. The US will make social security payments. To suggest otherwise is a lie. Why is this behavior from a President acceptable to you? Why would you want another 4 years of this crap?
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Originally Posted by Rekna
Ace I didn't know Obama could introduce bills in the house and force the house to vote on it. Especially when it is controlled by the GOP. The fact is this bill has to originate in the house.
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Bush got his legislation introduced and passed. Other Presidents have been able to work with members of Congress to set a legislative agenda, why can't Obama?