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Plan9 · 07-24-2011, 06:48 AM

SEALs. Delta Force doesn't exist.

*rimshot*

/Red Roof Inn

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Okay... more talking points:

1. Civilians don't need to play Rambo like KirStang did. I'd never go outside unless someone was calling for help. Nothing in my front yard is worth getting shot over. That and in real life, Rambo goes to jail (for shooting someone) or worse (gets dead). As a Harry Homeowner, you should not confront an intruder unless they pose a direct threat to yourself or a loved one (say, you have to go get a kid down the hall). According to the handful of current SWAT cops I trained with yesterday, it is better to dial 911 on speaker phone, conceal yourself low near the stairs, and sound off with something like "Get out of my house. I am upstairs and I am armed. I do not want to shoot you. If you attempt to come upstairs, I will constitute it as a threat to my life and I will shoot you. Leave now." The reasoning behind the excessive cheesy line is that it is recorded by the E911 system (assuming you were smart enough to keep your cell phone on you / have speaker activated on the cell/land line). You stated your position and offered the intruder a choice. If the intruder decides to confront you after that speech, it's a safe bet that they were asking for it. CYA bullshit for sure, but it makes sense for 99% of situations.

2. I'm going to need Walt to explain the long gun vs. pistol "weapon competency" thing because it totally goes against the platform comparison points listed above. I'm a moron, so let's figure that one out. The manual of arms and the short distances one is operating at in a house come into play.

3. The strengths and weaknesses of handheld vs. weapon mounted flashlights has come into play here. The handheld camp (pistol only) and the weapon-mounted camp (pistol, rifle, shotgun)... ready-Fight! My personal philosophy is to mount the flashlight on the weapon and have a secondary flashlight available in a pants pocket, kit pouch (on my vest) or that old M16 bandoleer I use to hold loose 12g shells. I have no problem pointing a loaded weapon at an unknown someone in my house and strobe-ing them with the Surefire to establish friend or foe. It all comes back to training. You can just as easily "accidentally" shoot someone with a pistol while holding a flashlight in the other hand. Trigger discipline is trigger discipline, folks.

07-24-2011, 06:48 AM	#36 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	SEALs. Delta Force doesn't exist. rimshot /Red Roof Inn ... Okay... more talking points: 1. Civilians don't need to play Rambo like KirStang did. I'd never go outside unless someone was calling for help. Nothing in my front yard is worth getting shot over. That and in real life, Rambo goes to jail (for shooting someone) or worse (gets dead). As a Harry Homeowner, you should not confront an intruder unless they pose a direct threat to yourself or a loved one (say, you have to go get a kid down the hall). According to the handful of current SWAT cops I trained with yesterday, it is better to dial 911 on speaker phone, conceal yourself low near the stairs, and sound off with something like "Get out of my house. I am upstairs and I am armed. I do not want to shoot you. If you attempt to come upstairs, I will constitute it as a threat to my life and I will shoot you. Leave now." The reasoning behind the excessive cheesy line is that it is recorded by the E911 system (assuming you were smart enough to keep your cell phone on you / have speaker activated on the cell/land line). You stated your position and offered the intruder a choice. If the intruder decides to confront you after that speech, it's a safe bet that they were asking for it. CYA bullshit for sure, but it makes sense for 99% of situations. 2. I'm going to need Walt to explain the long gun vs. pistol "weapon competency" thing because it totally goes against the platform comparison points listed above. I'm a moron, so let's figure that one out. The manual of arms and the short distances one is operating at in a house come into play. 3. The strengths and weaknesses of handheld vs. weapon mounted flashlights has come into play here. The handheld camp (pistol only) and the weapon-mounted camp (pistol, rifle, shotgun)... ready-Fight! My personal philosophy is to mount the flashlight on the weapon and have a secondary flashlight available in a pants pocket, kit pouch (on my vest) or that old M16 bandoleer I use to hold loose 12g shells. I have no problem pointing a loaded weapon at an unknown someone in my house and strobe-ing them with the Surefire to establish friend or foe. It all comes back to training. You can just as easily "accidentally" shoot someone with a pistol while holding a flashlight in the other hand. Trigger discipline is trigger discipline, folks. __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake." Last edited by Plan9; 07-24-2011 at 11:34 PM..