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Originally Posted by KirStang
Dux,
I don't think suspicious purchases of firearms should automatically render one a criminal--by making large purchases, the individual who purchased dozens of AKs might have given the ATF a red flag of criminal activity. The ATF now has reasonable articulable suspicion to investigate that individual and build a case.
For example, another member on this site bought 50 Mosin Nagants (bolt action mil-surplus rifles). He likes to collect them. He is most certainly not a criminal. Would you give the ATF teeth to presume criminal activity whenever one purchases a lot of firearms?
I don't know about law enforcement. But being trained in the justice system, I am always uncomfortable when someone wants to assume criminality because 'something doesn't look right.'
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I dont want to limit any legal citizens rights. I want to give the ATF the tools they need so they dont turn to reckless operations to attempt to stop (but botch) the flow of straw purchases.
Under what law can ATF build a case if they have reasonable suspicion and if the person in question signs a form indicating that the 60+ AK-47s are for personal use...and they dont track the weapons beyond that person? How do they prove intent if the person claims they were stolen?
Or what is wrong with having dealers report multiple sales of long arms in the same manner as hand guns?
dk and sam appear to suggest that the problem is strictly the F&F program (I agree it was a terrible idea and, as I said, someone should be held accountable), but ignoring the larger issue that wont go away.
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
oh wow. I should have looked at that link from the get go. do you really consider an article based on a hearing from some of the most anti gun congress critters and senators is going to hold any weight? of course you're going to get agents concerns about toothless gun laws on an anti gun hearing.
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So the testimony of, or concerns expressed by, the ATF agents is not relevant?
Or the concerns expressed by the ATF agents in this article...
Weak laws, paltry resources hinder gun trafficking probes, say ATF backers | iWatch News
...because you dont like the publisher?
But I should accept everything the NRA says?
It gets tiresome to hear that any law enforcement officials suggesting the need for stricter laws to address illegal trafficking lack credibility.