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Originally Posted by dc_dux
I agree that Fast and Furious was a reckless operation under the broader Operation Gunrunner program started in 06 and someone should be held accountable. IMO, the acting ATF director who is now trying to save his own ass.
I say acting director because the Republicans in the Senate have blocked the appointment of a permanent director since 06 at the urging of the NRA.
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not just the NRA, but millions of us non NRA members have also implored the senate to deny an anti gunner from a director spot.
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Originally Posted by dc_dux
And I agree that there are some ATF agents who are now speaking out against F&F.
But there are also numerous agents, as I pointed out (but you guys ignore), that have been asking for years for tough specific laws to deal with the trafficking of weapons across the border, given that under current laws, straw purchasers only need sign a form indicating that multiple purchases of semi-automatic weapons are solely for personal use.
Example:
Please tell me who needs 85 AK-47s for personal use? Why should legislation to address this at least be considered? I'll tell you why....the NRA.
I am trying to understand how this kind of straw purchasing will stop w/o stricter laws against trafficking; laws that WILL NOT impact law abiding citizens. |
since when did 'need' determine how you exercise a RIGHT? Should we go all out to stop all gun trafficking by limiting the number of handguns, rifles, and shotguns one household may own? should we then limit the number of cars and houses people may own? how about the number of kids a family can have?
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Originally Posted by dc_dux
New regs that were implemented last week requiring dealers to report multiple purchases will help. But IMO and in the opinion of some former and current ATF agents, stricter laws are also needed.
Its time for the NRA to step up to the plate on this one and stop blaming everyone else.
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those new regs would have been an overreach of the ATFs power. the congress was right to deny funding for such an egregious move.
stricter laws are not needed. There are already too many laws. guns crossing the border violate the arms export control act.
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The latest twists from the right is that Holder knew about Fast and Furious based on a speech he made in March 09 and that increased funding by the Obama administration was for Fast and Furious.
But the speech was six months before Fast and Furious and was about the increased funding for Operation Gunrunner (Bush's program) under the stimulus bill, for more personal in CA, NM, and TX and had nothing to do with the Fast and Furious operation in Arizona.
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that speech was not 6 months before F&F, since F&F was started under bush before Obama took office. Now, if Holder approved ATF agents to walk guns across the border and stimulus money was used for that purpose, now we have a problem.