Poetry

This is the second time you've made a personal attack in the last two weeks, the first of which you went outside of the thread and pulled into it another thread that was entirely unrelated in an attempt to discredit my argument not on its own merits, but on my own value as a person.

It would be nice if you were able to hold to the standards that we are supposed to hold at TFP of topical discussion and not personal attack. You're smart; I'm sure you can argue a topic without bringing in the OP themselves.

Also, you disregarded my response to your posting regarding women who take "duck-faced" shots in order to continue your "point". Please note that the discussion itself has continued and you might want to keep up with it and include the new input received from other commenters, myself included, in your own responses in order to achieve maximum successful discourse and overall growth.

You flaunt your sexuality even more than I display mine. You can, obviously, continue to do so, but the only thing you may achieve from it is causing discomfort in other, less sexual, TFP members. If I was one like that, I would not appreciate it.

Now, back to discussion.

It isn't a matter of deserving or not. I found myself thinking last night how a rapist's defense can run along the lines of "she was wearing a short skirt, she deserved it" or "she flirted with me, she deserved it".

There is no "deserve". There is rationalization for poorly chosen courses of action, whether those choices are as harmless as sending a "hey nice pics" message or more destructive, like rape.

Personally, I don't think of men as "pigdogs". I actually prefer the company of men to women. I always have.

But this isn't about the "woes of being physically attractive" or men as "pigdogs". It's about the sad lack of socialization in a textual format, and how it manifests (in this case) in initial attempts at seduction and/or flirtation.

And, plain, gorgeous, ugly-- it doesn't matter. I have friends in their 50s that are near two hundred pounds overweight and they receive these messages. I have friends that are jaw-droppingly beautiful who receive them. It's never actually about looks.

The post wasn't intended to whine about Facebook, so I apologize if it came off that way. It was intended to humorously comment on the social norms of engaging in internet flirtation when initiated by some men in typical online social networking sites.

Nice Shakespeare reference.

Well, on FB it turned into a debate that is, days later, still going. It's mostly about social value on beauty versus perceived self-worth (which has spawned into some arrogance threads), along with men that are too busy traveling to put forth the effort to actually seduce someone, and some other things that aren't really sticking out.

And, yes, as we see with Plan9, there's the two-sided debate. I don't view it as much of a debate, as we're discussing two separate things (the first being active pursuit in text format that socially engages-- and its lack of social norms-- and the second being internal vainglorious behavior that somehow justifies the first activity due to skin being shown which lowers the perceived value of said woman in question), but it is something being aggressively discussed.

Anyhow, I have to get back to work. I'm sure I'll do something to cause Plan9 to declare me some sort of neo-nazi feminist with vagina dentata later on today. Yay.

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