This thread went somewhere different than I had expected.
What I objected to was nothing to do with the objectification or degradation of women in porn, but with the idea that Porn For Women is supposed to be soft, fluffy, and emotional, but Porn For Men is supposed to be hardcore and objectifying.
That's sexist. That's what bothers me.
Why don't we just call fluffy softcore porn fluffy softcore porn? Why does it need to be Porn for Women?
Personally, I could be using a Hitachi and doing DP with two dildos and not be able to get off to softcore without fantasizing about something complete different than what was on the screen.
And it's not just about what I like. It is truly sexist to describe porn as "female-friendly" because the girls are smiling in it and not taking a load in the face. That's like calling Hondas "Asian Friendly" or hi-top sneakers "Black Friendly".
Don't assume what I will or will not like because I am a chick. The stereotype is not appreciated.
Now, as for the objectification/degradation slant that this thread took...
I've been on a lot of porn shoots in this last year. I was at AEE this last year. I've seen amateur, I've seen insanely high budget. I've seen gay, lesbian, hardcore, softcore, and BDSM. I've chatted with make-up artists, wardrobe workers, extras, directors, producers, and stars. Now, after all that, I'm doing a little bit of contract work for one of the major companies (no, nothing on camera, in case that thought should occur).
If I had a choice between being in one of those softcore and amateur videos and being "degraded" in a big budget, I'd choose the big budget. The girls are treated so much better in big budget, regarded much more highly than the amateur and the softcore. Those girls come in, take their clothes off, blow/fuck whatever partner was assigned, and leave. They have to do their own make-up, usually have their own wardrobe, and they get a minimal check. No one enjoys their lukewarm performances and they know it. They know the entire crew is bored out of their minds.
On a big set, people are excited. People want to see them work. The girls are excited about working on a big project, they're glad to be desired, glad that their performance, looks, and reputation have landed them a role where they are the center of a major movie. The set is more friendly, more hectic, more of a communal project.
And the general consensus here is that they're taking a load in the face or the ass on camera and so are being degraded. It's sex. It's semen. It's a physical act. I would be more concerned with how I am socially treated than if I'm getting paid a thousand+ for allowing some guy to shoot his spunk on my chest.
Why is sex so often considered degrading for women? Why do we think that women who devote their time and effort to looking good, networking, and performing sexually well on camera are considered less?
It isn't the act that causes degradation, it is the hand-me-down viewpoint that we keep alive that causes it.
As for it being contrived... yeah, sure. Some really are. But I also know from listening to girly gossip on set that more often than you'd guess, the couple(s) involved in a scene are actually enjoying themselves and want to be having sex with their partner. I know that some of them have a "no list" of people they will not sleep with because they are undesirable. Some porn companies even match up people after asking them who they'd like to work with.
And, yes, the story lines are often cheesy. But try to write a script that can be shot on next to nothing (thanks internet!!) with five to six sex scenes when you know that 99% of the people watching the movie are skipping straight past the plot... Why would you bother with making it good?
There's other stuff that I'd respond to, but I've got some work to do. However, I do need to respond to this:
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Originally Posted by remy1492
Dated a girl that would eat Plan9 for breakfast.
Smoking hot, and sex drive X100. She had a chest full of porn vids.
NOT normal. I am used to the girl who likes to watch it with her BF but typically doesnt have porn for herself.
This girl was WAY wilder than me and wore me out. I did have to go to work and have energy to do so. The worry was, when I would be away for extended periods of time. Could somebody with that Hardcore and lively drive, be satisfied at home alone?
Its like an alcoholic living across from a bar.
hmmmmm
Oddly, I have found that girlfriends like porn that has girls UGLIER than them, it lets THEM feel better than the chick in the flick and oddly, gets them aroused and into me.
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Really??
Topic 1: No girl I have ever met has liked ugly girls in their porn. What a moodkill.
Topic 2:
REALLY? I have an incredibly "lively" drive. I have more experience (and, often, ability) than most of the men I have slept with. Whenever I have a boyfriend, I raid his porn stash for my own use, and it's rarely hardcore enough. My last boyfriend was a major porn director, the one before that built a swing club in Hollywood. I surround myself with sex, preferably hardcore. I have a sexual bucket list. I haven't cheated on a partner in ten years, and I'm 27.
Like an alcoholic living across from a bar?? Jesus Christ.
Why can't we judge people on their personality and their values as opposed to their sexual preferences and drive?
Gah.