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Old 06-30-2011, 10:10 AM   #5 (permalink)
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i hold both parties responsible, really. that's one of the points i was trying to make: it is empirically the case that the afghanistan and iraq debacles---which are by far the most costly of the 3 debacles---were republican products that were enabled by a breakdown in congressional oversight in my view---but i opposed all of this stuff from day one, the whole sham "war on terror"

but it is also the case that the obama administration has not moved fast enough or effectively enough to get the united states out of the republican-engendered cluster fucks in either place.

and it is the case that obama has in a general sense pursued foreign policies that move in a straight line from that of the bush people, despite all the talk about change, and that he has done so from a position of imperial president that is, if anything, more radical than was that adopted by the bush administration (e.g. blowing off the advice of his own internal legal counsel on the status of the libyan intervention).

i don't particularly buy the equation of libya with the other wars, however, because it was managed in an entirely different way---witness the relatively small role the united states is taking in what is primarily a NATO operation for better or worse.
and this to leave aside for the time being questions about the situation in libya, about which it is safe to say that nothing has gone as hoped/planned at the outset.

i do hold the bush administration responsible, however. it is peculiar that, given what is empirically the case, that there's any argument about that responsibility.

that i think the iraq war is in itself a war crime is a point for debate, perhaps another time.

the attempts on **both** sides of the aisle in the single-party state that is the united states to keep these massive drains on the economy off the table is surreal. a tragedy, really.

ugh...have to go do some more work stuff.
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