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Originally Posted by roachboy
ace. want to know how simple this is? you are a neo-liberal ideologically. no need to think real hard. you aren't one politically because you're a true believer. one of those chumps who thinks this nonsense obtains. it's funny.
politically, neo-liberalism is a different beast--it's patently about consolidating power in the hands of conservative factions within the plutocracy. deregulation blah blah blah---de facto instruments of consolidation of power.
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Plutocracy??? I have no interest in consolidated power or rule by a few weather that be by political or financial power. My cause is against big government and against big business -both work against individual freedom. It appears you are mixing political ideologies. You think clarify your view is a waste of time, but I would suggest you do take some time to clarify your views.
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the actions of the supreme court in erasing barriers to corporate money in political campaigns are patently an extension of neo-liberal politics. the need for campaign finance reform is obvious in the face of neo-liberal domination since reagan.
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Again, money has less influence than you think it has. For example, Obama is not beholden to any big money special interest group. He does not need the oil industry, pharmaceutical industry, health care industry, auto in order to finance his campaign. He needs the votes of big labor. He needs an army of volunteers and an organization to get out the vote. He needs a cooperative and sympathetic media. So tell me, how has or how will money influence Obama's political behavior? It won't. Money is not his motivator, so what is your explanation?
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Originally Posted by dc_dux
ace, you are confusing (c)(3) and (c)(4) organizations and the manner in which they can engage in issue advocacy/education.
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Please stop trying to tell me I am confused. I know the difference. And I know the NAACP walks a fine line and perhaps crosses it regularly. There are more similarities between the (c)(3) AND (c)(4) than there are differences, in fact assuming a set of people who actually know what they are, few of those could tell you the important differences.
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I would support the IRS enforcing a strict standard for (c)(4) organizations, whether it is the work of the Koch Brothers or George Soros. They should not have tax exempt status if their primary mission and the expenditure of the majority of their funds is to engage in partisan politics. And their donors should be taxed and lose the shield of anonymity.
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Well, you have to explain what makes an issue partisan. It may be no fault of an organization if a social welfare issue they promote becomes partisan. And even if it does become partisan does that negate the real intent of the organization? I think not. I am very uncomfortable with bureaucrats having the kind of power you seem to want them to have.
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If you believe that Karl Rove's Crossroads GPS organization is to promote social welfare (requirement for a c4) rather than electing Republicans, then you are just demonstrating more rigid ideology.
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I think the problem is in the law. A person like Rove can easily exploit the intent of the law and be in compliance. In these circumstances I agree the law has to be changed, but I doubt I would agree with you regarding how to do it. I think such laws unfairly restrict those who do not have Rove's resources. These laws hinder real grass-roots political activities.
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Please, no more questions to deflect the issue. Deal with the facts for once.
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My questions do no deflect the issue. I ask you to understand the broader context of what you advocate for, there is a difference. You rarely show an understanding of unintended consequences or a vision of what is beyond what is directly in front of you. You should welcome and encourage my questions. Given that you don't, it reflects a closed mind on your part.
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Originally Posted by ottopilot
Congratulations aceventura3... You've been LABELED!! (...by those who know best)
To commemorate the bestowing of "NEO-LIBERAL" as your officially administered stereotype, we at the American Political Monoculture wish to welcome you by offering this free membership.
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Thank, you, it is with great honor that I accept membership as a stereotypical NEO-LIBERAL.
If we can find two people who actually agree on what a neo-liberal is, now that will be real progress.