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Old 05-17-2011, 08:32 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Ourcrazymodern? View Post
But science uses math to validate its observations, as theology uses its base concepts to justify its behavior. Sorry, I don't do calculus, I was just thinking math might be science's god. Please tell me more about the methods of validation that math uses.
Mathematicians accept axioms (self evident truths) and use logic to prove theorems. Illustration can be found in any elementary geometry textbook. To validate means to prove.

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Science does not in any sense differentiate between "fact" and "fantasy"

It differentiates between propositions which are "currently proven" and "not proved"
I agree. But my personal preference would be to replace "proven" and "proved" by "accepted." Why? Because I use the term "proof" in mathematics only. But I know that others use it in other situations (legal, scientific, theological, etc.).

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Science cannot tell us anything about the material reality of religion other than it is not proved by existing science.
Yes again, provided the word "religion" is replaced by the word "God." Why? Because, as I already wrote, religion = theism + many other things. A church, or a holy book, are components of "parts of reality of religion." No one question their material existence.

But you are right, "science cannot tell us anything about the material reality of" God.

Sorry for being picky. But sometimes it helps.

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