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Old 05-13-2011, 03:33 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru View Post
Has an objective party deemed this as severely limiting, excessive, and unreasonable?
Those were my words.

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And I think the issue isn't just about environmentalists; it's about industry too. The intermediaries shouldn't be overlooked either: this is where scientists come in.
I have no problem with science. Nor do I have a problem with the true costs to society including environmental cost being assigned to industrial production. If the goal was to honestly assign these costs, I would have no objection to what the EPA is trying to do - my gut tells me the goal is to be punitive.

I believe if true costs are properly assigned, the best solutions emerge. For example why is our government pushing battery or electric powered vehicles rather than the use of natural gas to power vehicles? What does the science say about that? We should focus on real solutions and not phantom solutions - is the real goal to reduce CO2? If so, what can we do to have the biggest impact?

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Natural gas is the cleanest of all the fossil fuels, as evidenced in the Environmental Protection Agency’s data comparisons in the chart below, which is still current as of 2010. Composed primarily of methane, the main products of the combustion of natural gas are carbon dioxide and water vapor, the same compounds we exhale when we breathe. Coal and oil are composed of much more complex molecules, with a higher carbon ratio and higher nitrogen and sulfur contents. This means that when combusted, coal and oil release higher levels of harmful emissions, including a higher ratio of carbon emissions, nitrogen oxides (NOx), and sulfur dioxide (SO2). Coal and fuel oil also release ash particles into the environment, substances that do not burn but instead are carried into the atmosphere and contribute to pollution. The combustion of natural gas, on the other hand, releases very small amounts of sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxides, virtually no ash or particulate matter, and lower levels of carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, and other reactive hydrocarbons.
NaturalGas.org

I will save Roach some time - the source has a bias.
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