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Originally Posted by roachboy
like baratunde said in the clip i posted earlier, we have all been debased by this birther horseshit.
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Speak for yourself. To suggest the "birther" issue is different than an issue like those who believed Bush was responsible for giving the order to blow up the World Trade Center or responsible for blowing up the levies in New Orleans illustrates a very narrow view of these kinds of issues.
News flash, we have a President that some people don't like. Wow, must be racism. Is that the logic in play?
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all it has done is show why the republicans need to change direction.
they really could not have a more loathesome spokesmodel than donald trump.
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Trump has not even declared. Many including me, don't believe he is serious. If he does run, there is no real chance he gets the nomination in my opinion. So, on what basis are you saying Trump is a "spokesmodel"? What Trump has is a style that is effective and works in the sound-bite world of the media, but he is superficial. Trump has a handful lines that will get the average Joe to stand up and cheer. And I repeat, it is the liberal media that is tripping all over themselves to put Trump in the lime-light. I have watched Hard Ball on MSNBC the last few days - almost 100% coverage on Trump.
People can analyze Trump and discuss his strengths and weaknesses without saying they endorse him - why does that have to be said here?
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gringrich is about to launch that moronic american exceptionalist thing.
the far right is a liability.
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Morons vote. Are going to take the position that everyone who votes for Gingrich is a moron? There is no doubt in my mind that in a race between Obama and Gingrich in 2012, Gingrich gets my vote and will win.
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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru
My question isn't so much as why it's an issue and who's responsible for it; it's more like what do we do about it now that it's an issue?
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We don't do anything. There is nothing for us to do. The facts are available, everyone has access to the same information. The only person who can do something, is Obama. He did. He could have ignored the issue, but he did not for the reasons he gave. There will always be people who are "birthers". There will always be people who don't believe we landed on the moon. There are people who believe Elvis is alive. So what. What are you going to do about it - there is nothing you can do.
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If it's so important to release the birth certificate, then why not make it mandatory?
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Because it is not important by the time a person is running for President. Usually, by the time a person is running for President there is no question about their citizenship. It is interesting because McCain was actually foreign born. And there are many ways a foreign born US citizen can be eligible to be President.
Will you ever believe that in the minds of many who are considered "birthers", the issue is bigger than where he was born? Also, when you look at polls depending on how the question is asked big percentages, simply say they don't know and if asked a follow-up would say it doesn't matter and they accept Obama as the legitimate President.
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Why simply base it on whether enough people have an emotional response to it? Is that any way to run a country?
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During the past few weeks nothing has changed as a result of all this birther noise? I find it odd that Obama will address the birther issue but won't answer questions about Libya. Or on any topic, will only answer questions in controlled settings or with friendly interviewers. He promise to be the most transparent President in history, I have a problem with that lie. Obama is the President, not Trump - Obama should be able to control the agenda if he was a stronger leader.
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It isn't merely a matter of direction; it's a matter of distance too. The Republicans need to keep the high-profile birthers at arm's length. They need to separate the wheat from the chaff. They need to distinguish between American exceptionalism and national pride.
The far right isn't merely a liability; it's an adversary.
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What serious Republican is on the birther band-wagon? Be specific, what/who are you talking about? I bet you can't do it, other than Trump - and he is not serious in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by Derwood
The fact that you have bought this bullshit Republican meme hook, line and sinker is all we need to know about your outlook on politics
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Dude, I have been post here for a few years - and now you get wise to my outlook???
And anyone who actually reads around here knows I don't support the Republican platform or agenda 100%. There is a chance that I won't even vote Republican in 2012 - I won't vote for Romney, I'll vote Libertarian or another third party. If not for Palin I would not have voted for McCain. I think Boehner compromising with Obama was a mistake - I would have shut the government down. I don't support raising the debt ceiling, but many Republicans will support doing that.
Why not take a few minutes and read or ask questions before going off into fantasy-land.
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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru
It goes to show that the American Dream isn't the only story within American mythology—which is, of course, rife with irony.
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As a believer in the American, I say you can think what you want about it, but every day people get up and go to work to accomplish that dream. The American dream has made the world a better place. I say that with great pride. I salute the flag, recite the Pledge and sing the National Anthem. I love this country and don't want to live anywhere else because it is the greatest place to live with the greatest amount of freedom and opportunity..