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Originally Posted by Willravel
We fight for some of the same causes, sure. That's why I find folks like Ron Paul so frustrating. He and I agree on basic civil liberties, non intervention, Israel, the Federal Reserve, boarder protections, the US response to terrorism, and some election law, but at the same time he's a young earth Creationist, whom I consider my arch nemesis in life, he has no clue about environmental protections, he doesn't understand progressive taxation, he's a selective Constitutionalist, he's in favor of free trade and against fair trade, etc. Coming together with characters like that is just as dangerous for him as it is for me because in furthering each other on stuff we have in common, we risk providing the other momentum on things we strongly disagree on. If libertarians and liberals came together on ending the wars, for example, who's to say that doesn't give liberals the momentum necessary to enact sweeping environmental legislation that goes against your libertarian principles? Or who's to say libertarians gain enough momentum to really take a strong shot at Social Security? American politics is weird enough that those aren't outlandish predictions.
If all else fails, I could bring myself as a liberal to work with libertarians on things we agree on, but I'd much rather convince you with facts and logical arguments that my position is objectively correct. I'm sure you understand.
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I have never been 100% in agreement with a candidate I have supported. I generally side with those where I agree on a few of the most important issues that a politician can have an impact on. When it comes to religious issues I tend not to factor that in because a politician is not going to influence anyone's religious beliefs.
I don't understand the appeal of a progressive tax code in a culture where people have the freedom to go from one income class to another. In a caste system I get it. But a progressive tax system hurts those who start poor and want to work their way out of poverty. At each threshold, that higher marginal tax rate is extremely unfair and can stifle a persons progress.
Regarding free and fair trade, I need more detail to understand what your issues are. My initial feeling is that the consumer decides what is fair. If people or nations are selling products made from slave labor, I would agree with laws to stop the sale of those products in this country. Outside of that I am uncomfortable with government trying to decide what is fair and what is not.
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Originally Posted by roachboy
right, ace.
the birther thing is entirely racist but the fault is obama's.
funny stuff.
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It is not racist. Obama had the ability to take the issue off of the table when it first came up.
What fuels the "Obama is different than us sentiment", has a lot to do with many things that are a bit odd regarding his past behavior. People have questions that have never been addressed directly. Like the birth certificate why not just put these questions to rest?
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boneless conservative/partisan personal and intellectual servility---you know, draped over partisan talking points like a boneless chicken breast---that's always a talking point. always fresh. in fostering it, there's been no real change in strategy from the right.
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I understand your point of view. All conservatives are the same to you. that is why I suggest that conservatives should stop trying to work with the left. If people like Boehner, who are willing to compromise, are considered just as crazy as those who won't compromise - there is no reason to support people like Boehner. I want the Tea Party to totally take control of the Republican Party, control Congress and win the WH. Give us a super majority and see what happens! To hell with trying to compromise or work with people like you.
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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru
You would think that this would set a precedent, meaning that all future presidents should release their longform birth certificate to the public before taking office.
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No. Just those who "pal around with terrorists". Or, people who are married to people who haven't been proud of the country until the country was willing to elect their spouse. Or, those who give media people tingly feeling down their legs to the point where they won't do their job. Just a select few.