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Old 04-26-2011, 12:37 PM   #18 (permalink)
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well there wasn't really even a coherent plan a either. on the one hand, you have extensive use of torture and claims from military types that it extracted useful legit information---and then you have all kinds of examples that show people basically just making stuff up, giving lots of meaningless names in exchange for privileges at gitmo or---and this is the most typical result of torture--to make the torture stop.

i was somewhat heartened to read of the internal fights over the ethics of torture:

Guantánamo files: US agencies fought internal war over handling of detainees | World news | The Guardian

and grimly not surprised that the result was their replacement with people whose ethical compass did not extend that far.

personally, i think gitmo--and the entire american reaction to 9/11/2001---represents a compromise of something quite fundamental about the united states as a country ostensibly based on the rule of law, something so fundamental that it's hard not to see in this anything but a victory for the putative motives of the ghosts who blew into the pentagon, trade center and field in central pa.
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