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Originally Posted by Willravel
Do you want libel and slander legalized? Do you want me to be able to call your boss and accuse you of pedophilia in order to get you fired, as an example, without any legal recourse? Do you want parents not giving the children they're legally responsible for necessary medical care, putting them in mortal danger because of their religious beliefs?
Even if we leave aside the fact that the framers and the Judiciary have made it perfectly clear from day one that rights aren't 100% absolute, are you prepared to live with the consequences of an absolutist, slippery slope fallacy understanding of rights?
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another strawman.
if you call up my boss and tell them i'm molesting 13 years olds that gets me fired and I sue, do I sue you because you violated the boundaries of the first amendment or do I sue you for the damages you caused me because you used your first amendment?
this is the flaw in most peoples thinking, is that you let yourselves be led by black robed tyrants in to thinking there are limits to your rights, when in actuality what is happening is you are being punished for damages you did to another person because you badly exercised your rights.
this is what i mean by absolute rights. you say I can't yell fire in a crowded theater, but am I gagged when i walk in that theater? is there some magical bracelet or necklace I'm forced to wear that prevents me from uttering the word fire? I say I can indeed yell fire in a crowded theater, especially if there is a fire. If I yell fire and there is none, am I charged with yelling fire in a crowded theater? no, i'm charged with anything from disorderly conduct up to negligent homicide.
so no, there are no limits on rights, only damages for misuse of your rights.
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Originally Posted by roachboy
dk--->i find it amusing that you and only you are free of the constraints that bind the rest of us simply because you can't figure out what natural law actually is.
but whatever--this isn't a discussion i feel like having.
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that's a shame you don't feel like having the discussion, because it could indeed provide interesting insight in to things. that being said, I find it amusing that you let yourself be shackled, like most others, because you can't figure out what natural law actually is.