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and so we go back around again.
one of the problems that's being revealed by this action in libya is the extent of the consequences of iraq and afghanistan.
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This is pure b.s. Resources are available, however no one is willing to sacrifice anything - even Obama is not willing to put too much at risk, he is doing as little as he can get away with.
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this does not follow from some vaporous matter of "leadership" in the sense of getting on television and telling people without power what it is that they want to hear.
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I think you may be underestimating the power of public support for a cause.
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this problem is about the realities that operate amongst people who have political and military power internationally and who are in a position to recognize the damage that conservative incompetence has done to the american empire in particular and everyone who aligned with the lunatic campaigns of the bush period in general.
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Bush bashing never gets old, does it? When will it end? Also, your position seems to be a contradiction. Occasionally you argue there is no difference between the two political parties, and if true why single Bush out in a argument about US colonialism. To someone who has read what you have written, you are far too frequently incoherent.
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there's no amount of marketing of war to people with no power that's going to change that reality.
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I am still not clear on this "marketing" concept of yours in the context of war. But it is clear that most people do not understand what our real objectives are in Libya. I also believe that many in the Obama administration and in the military never bought into Obama's rhetoric on this issue.
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the central problem you really have, ace, and all your conservative avatars have it as well, is that you cannot face the magnitude of this. you'd like to pretend it's caused by other things. well......it isn't.
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The central problem I have has absolutely nothing to do with this topic. I am and I have been correct on this issue from the beginning and every step of the way. Anyone looking at this objectively with an open and questioning mind could see the problems and lack of clarity from Obama.
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the problems of empire that are being played out in libya follow directly from afghanistan and iraq and the problems of the mortgage backed security crisis that undermined the position of the american financial oligarchy in an imperial context, something that **never** would have happened (in the sense of not that particular way, not never temporally) had the cluster fucks of afghanistan and iraq already been visited upon ALL OF US by people who think the way you do.
unless you think that the commands of all the militaries involved are joking when they talk about being dangerously stretched logistically.
because you'd know better than they. obviously.
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Sounds like you are making excuses for a failed endeavor. Obama and our military knew what resources they had before entering into the Libyan conflict, I believe they also knew what would be required to win it. If they were not prepared to win or accomplish their objective - then they were fools to initiate military actions.