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Originally Posted by roachboy
its delusional to imagine that short of ground involvement that the west--or any part of the west, including the united states---is in a position to simply stride manfully into libya and straighten shit out.
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Why wasn't it delusional from the beginning to think that a no fly zone was going to be adequate? In the short-term the no fly zone had an impact and given the dynamics of war, conditions changed. If NATO and UN goals were in sync and if the words on paper matched the words spoken the next steps would be clear. At this point the errors at the beginning are now obvious.
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there's problems of the united states military being stretched thanks to conservative policy incompetence in the bush period that generated such chaos that there's been no way out of either quagmire to this point.
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Obama was elected to end, as you put it, the quagmire, he has had two years - and Iraq was winding down when he took office. And even if you call what Bush did a quagmire, it can be legitimately argued that the Bush doctrine planted the seeds of the current revolts in the ME. We can not go back in time and pretend to say "if only" we had not invaded Iraq that we could do more to help Libya - we must deal with current realities. The current reality is that if we chose, we could do more in Libya.
Let's not mislead people - what we do or what we don't do is a choice.
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the british are saying that they're stretched as well thanks to iraq and afghanistan. so more excellent outcomes from conservative incomptence.
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Looks like even in other countries people won't make a sacrifice for a cause that our President sold as humanitarian. If people were actually willing to commit and sacrifice for a cause, the resources would be there. Leadership failed to get public support.
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An opinion poll about British military involvement in Libya, has found there is mixed support for intervention.
The poll was carried out for BBC Radio Four's Broadcasting House Programme.
It suggests that the backing of British people for the Libyan mission is less than it was for the invasion of Iraq in 2003.
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BBC News - Public support for Libya action 'mixed'
Make sure to see the video report at the link above.