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Originally Posted by aceventura3
How many times do I need to present the point that the no fly zone will not stop Kadafi from slaughtering his own people. If the goal is to stop Kadafi from slaughtering people, given the circumstances, he has to be removed from power. Anything less than that and people who are vocal or have rebelled against Kadafi will be killed one way or another.
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Are you suggesting the no-fly zone has had no impact? Are you suggesting that no one is talking about anything else? Are you suggesting that everything is static and neatly delineated as though it were written on paper in under 2,000 words? I don't think many people are keen on leaving Kadafi in power, but I don't think many are keen on total war. Are you?
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Imagine it this way, you see a drowning person. Immediately you can make a decision with the objective to A) Save the person or B) Throw the person a flotation device. In option A it is clear that you will dive in if necessary, call for additional help, pull the person to shore, administer CPR until help arrives or until the person becomes functional, etc, etc. However, if your objective is to throw the person a flotation device, you throw it, but if it is clear that option B is inadequate what was the point? Personally, I could not simply throw a rope, and walk away - if I am confronted by the situation described, I am all in! I won't walk away. I will do everything in my power to save the life, everything! The thought of throwing a rope and walking away is beyond my understanding.
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What does this have to do with anything?
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What about Ahmadinejad saying his goal was to wipe Israel off the face of the map? Is that any less real than kadafi threat against his own people?
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For starters, what Ahmadinejad does is a threat. What Kadafi
was and
is doing is are actions. Is Ahmadinejad's threat real? Yes. Are Kadafi's actions real? Yes. I'm not sure what you're getting at.
When Iran's honor guard starts shooting up Jews and when Iranian warplanes start bombing and strafing Nazareth and Haifa, I'll let you know how I think they compare in real terms.
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Where do you draw the line between perceived threats and taking proactive humanitarian action compared to what may be hyperbole?
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I guess it depends on the situation. This is a loaded question.
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I have clearly said what I would do. If the cause is worthy, I am all in. As soon as I use the military, I commit to finishing the job and I do it as soon as possible.
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So total war and unconditional surrender? You should be clear if you say you're being clear.