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roachboy · 03-30-2011, 03:05 PM

ace..this whole factual thing is hard for you isn't it?

on your first "point": you don't like obama. i think we all get that. that you can't figure out the distinction between a military and a political goal is your problem.

at the same time, in the real world, lots of very basic things are not yet clear. maybe they never will be. i don't like it---you don't like it. no-one cares.

on your second "point": here you decide it's time to be a neocon cartoon. in this episode, you are so ideologically opposed to international co-operation that you're forced to simply make shit up in order to make the reality in front of you go away. from there you proceed to pose fake dilemmas. and you act like you know stuff you patently don't know. it isn't a united states operation ace. there is a command structure. transfer of control is likely tonight or tomorrow. you'll just have to deal with it.

on your third "point": i've been reading military assessments of the situation for days----the most explicit and informative have been in the french press, where the pet generals like to read from janes and make prognostications about strategy. on tv they stand behind model railroad-style maps with croupier and move tanks and army men around. it's very adolescent. you'd love it. most of what you say is problematic if facts are of any consequence. but they're obviously not, so we'll pass over to the more obviously surreal moment.

which comes when you veer off into your imaginary ally scenario. and that's just goofy. here's the situation: gadhafi's allies are incorporated into the mercenary forces he's got working alongside the militia units that two of his sons control. these units and not the libyan army are what the rebels are up against. and there is a considerable assymetry in terms of professionalism and weapons. but he's never trusted the conventional army and so has worked to keep it weak. which it is. the bulk of the mercenaries are from chad and nigeria, so far as is known. they're in libya in part because gadhafi has funded most of the breakaway fighting that's happened in those two countries over the past 30 years or so. so he has friends, but none are in power. because he's fucked around for so long and with such an obvious paper trail in trying to destabilize governments in the region, he's not got a whole lot of friends in the region. at this point he doesn't even have friends in the oau.

that's reality. who's the magic ally gonna be? you?

the **only** thing you say that's factually accurate is that the rebels are in a bad way militarily. but everyone is saying that. everyone.

i think you're the kind of chess player who doesn't know when he's lost the game.

03-30-2011, 03:05 PM	#191 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	ace..this whole factual thing is hard for you isn't it? on your first "point": you don't like obama. i think we all get that. that you can't figure out the distinction between a military and a political goal is your problem. at the same time, in the real world, lots of very basic things are not yet clear. maybe they never will be. i don't like it---you don't like it. no-one cares. on your second "point": here you decide it's time to be a neocon cartoon. in this episode, you are so ideologically opposed to international co-operation that you're forced to simply make shit up in order to make the reality in front of you go away. from there you proceed to pose fake dilemmas. and you act like you know stuff you patently don't know. it isn't a united states operation ace. there is a command structure. transfer of control is likely tonight or tomorrow. you'll just have to deal with it. on your third "point": i've been reading military assessments of the situation for days----the most explicit and informative have been in the french press, where the pet generals like to read from janes and make prognostications about strategy. on tv they stand behind model railroad-style maps with croupier and move tanks and army men around. it's very adolescent. you'd love it. most of what you say is problematic if facts are of any consequence. but they're obviously not, so we'll pass over to the more obviously surreal moment. which comes when you veer off into your imaginary ally scenario. and that's just goofy. here's the situation: gadhafi's allies are incorporated into the mercenary forces he's got working alongside the militia units that two of his sons control. these units and not the libyan army are what the rebels are up against. and there is a considerable assymetry in terms of professionalism and weapons. but he's never trusted the conventional army and so has worked to keep it weak. which it is. the bulk of the mercenaries are from chad and nigeria, so far as is known. they're in libya in part because gadhafi has funded most of the breakaway fighting that's happened in those two countries over the past 30 years or so. so he has friends, but none are in power. because he's fucked around for so long and with such an obvious paper trail in trying to destabilize governments in the region, he's not got a whole lot of friends in the region. at this point he doesn't even have friends in the oau. that's reality. who's the magic ally gonna be? you? the only thing you say that's factually accurate is that the rebels are in a bad way militarily. but everyone is saying that. everyone. i think you're the kind of chess player who doesn't know when he's lost the game. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite Last edited by roachboy; 03-30-2011 at 03:10 PM..