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Old 03-30-2011, 02:22 PM   #189 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Cimarron29414 View Post
rb: I agree with your analysis that this really is just "marketing". You are absolutely correct that the words do not reflect what is going on covertly. We only know what we are told, and they like it that way.
Perhaps if you are looking at this as being a spectator, I can see the "marketing" point. When our military is being used overtly or covertly, I don't consider myself a spectator. Wars are not won based on "marketing". A leader who wages war has to have the commitment of his army and of his public. The commitment has to be real.

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Originally Posted by dc_dux View Post
Not quite right, ace.

In addition to authorizing the No-Fly Zone, the resolution authorized "protecting civilians" ("to take all necessary measures...to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, including Benghazi, while excluding a foreign occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory), enforcing the arms embargo, freezing assets...

Security Council Approves ‘No-Fly Zone’ over Libya, Authorizing ‘All Necessary Measures’ to Protect Civilians, by Vote of 10 in Favour with 5 Abstentions

Here is item 4 under in the Protection of Civilians section:

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Authorizes Member States that have notified the Secretary-General, acting nationally or through regional organizations or arrangements, and acting in cooperation with the Secretary-General, to take all necessary measures, notwithstanding paragraph 9 of resolution 1970 (2011), to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, including Benghazi, while excluding a foreign occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory, and requests the Member States concerned to inform the Secretary-General immediately of the measures they take pursuant to the authorization conferred by this paragraph which shall be immediately reported to the Security Council
And here is what a couple of people had to say about the resolution:

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Lebanon’s speaker stressed that the text would not result in the occupation of “one inch” of Libyan territory by foreign forces. The representative of the United Kingdom pledged that partners in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and the Arab League were now ready to act to support the text.

The representative of the United States said that today, the Council had responded to the Libyan peoples’ cry for help. The Council’s purpose was clear: to protect Libyan civilians. The Security Council had authorized the use of force, including enforcement of a no-fly zone, to protect civilians and civilian areas targeted by Colonel Muammar Al-Qadhafi, his allied forces and mercenaries.
Security Council Approves ‘No-Fly Zone’ over Libya, Authorizing ‘All Necessary Measures’ to Protect Civilians, by Vote of 10 in Favour with 5 Abstentions

The resolution "basically" is a no fly zone and it can be argued that the resolution has already been violated. Foreign forces have allegedly been reported on Lybian territory. Also, the resolution does not call for Kadafi's removal, which according to Roach is Obama's clearly stated objective. Nor, does the resolution call for military support of the rebels, outside of protecting civilians.
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