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Originally Posted by dc_dux
Leadership, particularly as it relates to US relations with Arab nations, is not one size fits all, or as the Bush crowd would suggest,
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Who suggested this? Be specific.
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respond in the same (consistent?) manner with a standard boxed solutionl, regardless of any unique circumstances in those nations.
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I am the one who raised the question, what have we learned from Iraq as it may apply to Libya. This includes my concerns for prolonging a civil war and then abandoning those we support.
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In effect, the Bush/neo-con approach was to show how tough and threatening the US can be. It only inflamed anti-Americanism and gave despots in the region the rationale to claim that any popular uprising was a US plot.
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I would love to see objective data that could support your point of view. Otherwise, you have your opinion others have theirs.
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What ace fails to recognize is that recent circumstances in Egypt, Bahrain, Libya, etc are not the same.
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On what basis have you arrived at this conclusion. There is no basis. You simply made it up. Why?
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One does not need to stand in front of the press and proclaim that the US will lead an effort to overthrow a tyrant....but one can take actions behind the scenes (freezing assets, working in the background towards a UN mandate, with France in the lead, quietly encouraging other Arab nations to participate) to further that common goal with the people of those nations.
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Are we at war? That question is not even been clearly answered by the administration. How does Obama, or you define war? Is the goal now to overthrow a tyrant? Is a no fly zone gonna do that? Please don't get me started with all the questions...
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No, I think your problem is that you only see one solution, a simple, ideological solution, to complex and evolving issues in the Arab world. You see quietly working behind the scenes until a situation evolves to a point where a greater presence may be productive as lacking leadership.
Just my opinion.
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No you are trying to tell me what I think. I still have not given my personal view on Lybia. I have only shared my opinion regarding how Obama has handled the matter.
For the record, I know there are multiple ways to accomplish an objective. In fact, if you read this thread, you would know about my surprise that Obama was so fast to start dropping bombs rather than use other means, if his objective is to remove Kadafi, including communicating to the rebels to exercise patience rather than the initiation of a civil war that they could not win without outside help.