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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru
So would you say that the conservatives who aren't supporting the action in Libya are asking themselves WIIFM?
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In a purely cynical context, yes. I am sure my answer either confuses or allows for incorrect conclusions, but I will add that it is my belief that human behaviors are motivated by self-interest - and I don't pass any moral judgment to that, I expect it.
In a broader context, it is not a secrete that Europe and France in particular has a direct interest in Libyan oil and in part has motivated their interests in taking military action, the US does not share that direct interest as well as having high priority issues needing our focus. Many in the US are torn regarding military involvement in Libya including, conservatives, liberals and middle of the road people for various legitimate reasons.
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Originally Posted by roachboy
that's a straw man, ace. i haven't engaged in any such argument. i'm merely pointing out the surreal spectacle of manly man conservatives tripping all over themselves to sound all anti-war when the obvious fact of the matter is that the only reason they--and you---oppose the action in libya is because it is happening under the obama administration.
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Really. You think I and others determine support of war based on Obama??? I think you fail to see the difference between observations of Obama's leadership and a personal view of our objectives. Obama has not yet clearly defined the military objective. What he says compared to what is needed has yet to be reconciled.
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you notion of "what's in the national interest" is based on whether you like or do not like the sentences that are used by a given political regime to market war. so really, it's a consumer choice...sometimes you like raspberry jam, and sometimes strawberry so long as nobody tells you that strawberry is really different from raspberry. then you don't like it.
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Anyone who has spent any time understanding me knows that is false. How you think you can conclude that is beyond my comprehension - not to mention that it is purely irrelevant to the topic in this thread.
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if you can't distinguish marketing memes from statements about what's going on, who really cares what you imagine to be in some "national interest"?
fact is, like most far right wingnuts, your actual position is that the only adequate defense of "the national interest" is conservatives in power. then anything goes.
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I assume you don't consider yourself to be a "wingnut", so you tell us what is in our "national interest" in this context.