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pan6467 · 03-20-2011, 01:57 PM

No where did I want to imply arbitrarily taking out leaders just because we don't agree with what they are doing. My argument is that IF there is a rebellion of their people then we should do all we can to help the rebellion. IF they ask for us. I don't think we can bring Mubarak here and have him stay in the safety of our country while he's ordering troops to kill innocent people. That's taking sides. So the argument is why take the side of the opressor and not those that are fighting for what we believe to be right? If the Libyans want our help then we should help. If China's people stand up and ask for our help, then we should help. Until a nation's peoples stand up and say enough and ask others for help. Then we should stay neutral. Not continue to build up the regimes without making sure (through trade but again only the people suffer) the best way we can that those regimes accept UN mandates on civil rights and liberties. If not, then we stop trade and any aid. That simple.

It may sound impossible or what ever, but if you think outside the box and are willing to make those needed sacrifices, boycotting goods made in those countries. Then you are in part doing something. Vote for people regardless of partisanship that have the same basic principles you do, whether or not you believe that 1 vote matters. If enough people stand up for what they believe in change can happen. The problem is we have been brainwashed to live at a certain comfort level, we even have meds to make sure we believe we are in that comfort zone. Even in our "free" society we label those who are willing to sacrifice for their beliefs, as kooks or not "normal", and yet they show more true dignity and honor iun their beliefs than we "normal" people do who don't live our beliefs because we want that comfort and we don't want to be labelled in a negative way. We'd rather not cause waves and then bitch when we see the results of our not standing up.

03-20-2011, 01:57 PM	#32 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	No where did I want to imply arbitrarily taking out leaders just because we don't agree with what they are doing. My argument is that IF there is a rebellion of their people then we should do all we can to help the rebellion. IF they ask for us. I don't think we can bring Mubarak here and have him stay in the safety of our country while he's ordering troops to kill innocent people. That's taking sides. So the argument is why take the side of the opressor and not those that are fighting for what we believe to be right? If the Libyans want our help then we should help. If China's people stand up and ask for our help, then we should help. Until a nation's peoples stand up and say enough and ask others for help. Then we should stay neutral. Not continue to build up the regimes without making sure (through trade but again only the people suffer) the best way we can that those regimes accept UN mandates on civil rights and liberties. If not, then we stop trade and any aid. That simple. It may sound impossible or what ever, but if you think outside the box and are willing to make those needed sacrifices, boycotting goods made in those countries. Then you are in part doing something. Vote for people regardless of partisanship that have the same basic principles you do, whether or not you believe that 1 vote matters. If enough people stand up for what they believe in change can happen. The problem is we have been brainwashed to live at a certain comfort level, we even have meds to make sure we believe we are in that comfort zone. Even in our "free" society we label those who are willing to sacrifice for their beliefs, as kooks or not "normal", and yet they show more true dignity and honor iun their beliefs than we "normal" people do who don't live our beliefs because we want that comfort and we don't want to be labelled in a negative way. We'd rather not cause waves and then bitch when we see the results of our not standing up. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"