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Originally Posted by Seaver
Wrong. There is a higher percentage of doctors, lawyers, and engineers protesting than the lower class. If it was a simple "can't feed my family" the technocrats would be silent. Please do your research on the country before proclaiming what the protesters are protesting.
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No, I am not wrong. First, I doubt your "percentage" comment adds up. To suggest that a higher percentage is upper class in a country where the most people live in poverty is hard to believe and you give no source. I agree that "technocrats" as a class will join a revolution, but if they lead a revolution the message and appeal has to be targeted to the masses-or the people who are not upper-class.
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No real intellect is being able to comprehend the entire picture, not simply cutting and pasting only the parts that agree with your theory.
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Perhaps there is a difference between what I share here and what I know. Often it is impossible to get beyond superficial name calling and ad hominim argument here. So, the obvious question to you is - have you come to a conclusion on less than the entire picture?
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Originally Posted by dlish
you obviously have no idea on the way bahrain is run nor do you have any idea on the tensions that run between the ruling sunni minority and the shia majority. but of course, this issue is simply a matter of economics and easily defined.
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You talking about the tensions that have been there since about 600 a.d. - and last month all of a sudden they start a "revolution" - o.k., is that your story?
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Originally Posted by dc_dux
ace...get a grip.
I didnt write it.
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O.k. you typed it in your post. Sorry.
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Originally Posted by roachboy
an interesting and useful essay by olivier roy that looks at tunisia and egypt as "post-islamicist revolutions"....an excerpt:
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Roach, I am proud of the fact that we stand as "brothers" unified in the support of Egyptians as they fight for capitalist ideals - the ability for everyone to make excessive profits in a free market not controlled by tyrants, military or centralized command. Of course the article you cited misses the mark but I did find one more useful:
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The Egyptian military defends the country, but it also runs day care centers and beach resorts. Its divisions make television sets, jeeps, washing machines, wooden furniture and olive oil, as well as bottled water under a brand reportedly named after a general’s daughter, Safi.
From this vast web of businesses, the military pays no taxes, employs conscripted labor, buys public land on favorable terms and discloses nothing to Parliament or the public.
Since the ouster last week of President Hosni Mubarak, of course, the military also runs the government.
And some scholars, economists and business groups say it has already begun taking steps to protect the privileges of its gated economy, discouraging changes that some argue are crucial if Egypt is to emerge as a more stable, prosperous country.
“Protecting its businesses from scrutiny and accountability is a red line the military will draw,” said Robert Springborg, an expert on Egypt’s military at the Naval Postgraduate School.
“And that means there can be no meaningful civilian oversight.”
Field Marshal Mohamed Hussein Tantawi, the minister of defense and military production who now leads the council of officers ruling Egypt, has been a strong advocate of government control of prices and production.
He has consistently opposed steps to open up the economy, according to diplomatic cables made public by WikiLeaks. And already there are signs that the military is purging from the cabinet and ruling party advocates of market-oriented economic changes, like selling off state-owned companies and reducing barriers to trade.
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News Headlines
You do agree that the Egyptian people are fed up with being exploited and will not tolerate it from Mubarak or the military, don't you?
Power to the people.
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Originally Posted by dc_dux
Wait...so now you are suggesting that "taxation without representation" (and the broader goal it represents) has very little to do with the political system?
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Yes.
When did the revolution start - 1775.
When was our form of government established - 1777. it did not become effective until 1781.
So, what eventually became the US, was initiated and fought by people before our form of government was even conceived. They did not even know what the form of government was going to be - and there was a heck of a lot of debate and the "C" word (compromise) right. Good thing I wasn't involved, no slavery or no union.