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Originally Posted by Cimarron29414
Well, it isn't a stretch if one believes a human soul exists at conception. Which is what the religious folk believe. My personal choice of life doesn't really follow this argument, I just don't want to be the person who gives a say-so in aborting the person who was going to cure cancer or non-fattening fried chicken or something.
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I get that you're arguing for someone else, but the argument is an unsupported one. While claims are made in the Bible of God knowing people before they are born, that is attributed to God's omniscience and not to a state of existence before birth. There's nothing in the Bible to say that the soul itself exists connected to an embryo or fetus. The issue I take with arguments that abortion is banned or condemned by the Bible is that it's not. It's simply not in there. I'll happily welcome arguments and further evidence, but I've argued this before with a lot of folks ranging from fellow Sunday school goers to folks with their PhD in theology. The only religious rulings on abortion are in the form of extra-Biblical doctrine and the terrible mash-up of conservative politics with religious fundamentalism.
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Originally Posted by Cimarron29414
For Pete's sake, that is splitting hairs on the GM thing. Are you trying to null the religious argument by saying gays want to hold the same legal status as hetero married couples and proclaim their love to be equal, but they won't be having sex? There's a reason it is called "homo-S.E.X.U.A.L." Come on, that is weak..
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I'm arguing a technicality. Gay sex is an abomination worthy of the death penalty in the Bible, but the right to marriage is not spoken of. If the legal issue to murder innocent gay people comes up and religious folks want to vote to kill them, as wrong as they'd obviously be, at least they could reference the Bible. Too often people are allowed to simply make up what the Bible means, giving themselves false religious cover for stupid or hateful opinions. If they aren't even using the Bible correctly, they should be called on it. imho.
Sorry, this has turned into a bit of a threadjack.