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Originally Posted by roachboy
ace, once again you alternate between imaginary arguments and restatements of the obvious.
it is self-evident to anyone who looks at egypt at all---which you've not really done---that class stratification there is extreme.
it is also self-evident that this class stratification as it has taken shape over the past 30 years of dictatorship has been intertwined with patronage/corruption that centered on the twin power sources that ran the country---the military and the mubarak regime.
it is entirely obvious that getting rid of the mubarak regime has not gotten rid of the effects of that regime in either the military or the economic oligarchy that relied on one or the other or both for their wealth.
it is self-evident that this concentration of wealth played a fundamental role in sparking this revolt.
it is self-evident that the reason this concentration of wealth sparked a revolt now as opposed to at some other time has a lot to do with wikileaks and tunisia and longer-term mobilization---but really, it's conjuncture that allowed people to bring down the mubarak dictatorship.
if class stratification and/or the massive transfer of wealth into the hands of a few and away from most people was on its own reason for revolution, i would expect that you would be in hiding in another country as you support the economic ideology responsible for the most massive transfers of wealth in recorded history in that direction.
what is also obvious is that there are segments of the population of egypt who benefitted greatly from the corruption of the mubarak period who are very very concerned-to-panicked because of what they stand to loose. these are the people who are running away. these are the interests represented by short-term capital flight. this is the perspective you are arguing, as if it were not obvious--but your knowledge of the situation is so small that you can't even figure out what political interests are being expressed through the infotainment you adduce.
it is also self-evident that nothing has changed in the distribution of wealth or the sturcture of the economy yet. things **could** change now---but there's no magic wand that was waved about. so nothing has happened yet.
the revolution in egypt has just started. the hard stuff begins from here. that too is self-evident.
the economic order---and the question of qui bono---will change as the political situation changes.
as for the rats that flee the sinking ship of the mubarak regime---who cares?
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this line of posts started with your post #204 where you suggested that there was uncertainty regarding the next steps, I then suggested in post #205 that there is no uncertainty regarding what people are going to do - implying that the only uncertainty is with people like you. Your suggestion of uncertainty is grounded in some theoretical b.s., however people actually needing to make decisions make them. the sum of those individual decisions governs the general direction of this or any other "revolution". The sum of those individual decision is not difficult to predict.
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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru
Yes, ace, it's really simple. Capital tends to flow away from instability and towards stability. Protests and revolutions aren't forms of government.
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My position is that Mubarak was made powerless and that the insistence on his resignation prior to free and open elections, was symbolic. The result of which put the country in a state of unnecessary uncertainty that will have consequences - many of which will not be for the good of democracy or the people. Even Mubarack staying on as a figure head would have sent a message of an orderly transition.