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Old 02-09-2011, 04:35 PM   #162 (permalink)
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the central demand from the revolution---and i think it's fair to call it that---is that mubarak step down. it is mubarak and his circle who assume that the only alternative to themselves is chaos.

suleiman has used this vague, unfounded "fear" of chaos---put into play by mubarak et al to justify staying in power and trying to ride things out to the point where attention turns elsewhere and they can turn the army loose---which has already been happening btw

Egypt's army 'involved in detentions and torture' | World news | The Guardian

third suleiman is mubarak's proxy. the cabinet is the same people as the old. there has been no transition. mubarak has operated in bad faith for 30 years with respect to egypt's people. it's no surprise that noone believes that this is a transitional government.

four, the revolution has widened into a general strike. if mubarak wants to avoid the collapse, he will have to leave sooner rather than later. the situation is no longer if mubarak leaves there will be problems----the situation is that if mubarak stays there will be problems. this is a revolutionary situation.

five there is no opposition to orderly transition---it's pretty clear if you actually pay attention to what people are saying in/around/about the revolt itself that everyone WANTS an orderly transition---but without mubarak.

one aspect of that transition is an immediate dissolution of parliament--which is stacked with ndp people "elected" in obviously rigged elections---and the beginning of the fashioning of a new constitution. you know, like the framers did in the united states. it was ok for the united states in 1787....but it's too big a risk for egypt now? horseshit.

lastly, i really dont understand what you think you're demonstrating by trotting out cherrypicked economic data that everyone already knows about an presenting it as if you're moses descending from the mount. it is in the interests of all the egyptian people---except for those inside the oligarchy that has pillaged the place for the last 30 years by virtue of their alignment with mubarak---that this regime end.

the arguments are political ethical and economic. it is not important that you can't seem to figure that out.


there are arguments that people who buy the worldview centered on the american national security state can make for mubarak staying in power---but you're not making any of them. those arguments are all rubbish in any event. the only people who buy them have been getting briefed by fading conservatives and lobbyists in the employ of likud. you know, the same tired old reactionaries that have opposed democracy as something more than a word where-ever it has raised its head for 70 years.
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