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Originally Posted by roachboy
the objective should be to reduce gun violence.
none of the absolutist arguments regard "natural law" or fantasies about "what the framers thought" mean anything in the face of that.
that's why the gun lobby cannot afford to allow a debate on rational grounds about the topic---if they loose the framing they loose completely. because they can't defend levels of gun violence.
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sure it's defensible. This is the price of freedom. The framers knew this and preferred it to the tyranny they'd been experiencing.
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Originally Posted by roachboy
guns don't make you free. you aren't free now but many of you have guns. look around. you live in a financial oligarchy and you have a gun. you live under a single party state with two right wings and you have a gun. you live in a fading empire, you can do nothing about anything to do with either the empire or the ways in which it is fading and you have a gun. wake up.
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i have a gun, nobody gets to tell me what i can and can't do. I'd say that's freedom.
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"no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything. You cannot conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him."
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