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Originally Posted by Derwood
I'm personally anti-gun, but the country is to big and the borders too porous for any real gun control measures to succeed.
I respect the 2nd Amendment, but I find it hard to make the leap that the founders would feel the same about today's weapons that they did about those of their time. The Constitution was written at a time of muskets and single shot pistols. Stating unconditionally that they'd feel the same way about 33 round magazines and automatic weapons (etc., etc.)
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I appreciate your honesty, and while you took offense at my "assumption" it seems like it was more accurate than not. willravel, the creator of the thread, has also conceded he is entirely anti-gun. This furthers my point as to why it's a challenge to engage in an honest compromising debate.
And to roachboys point, the trouble with "middle ground" as we've seen with those who are anti-gun is that this extended magazine fight is simply a battle in a larger war (pardon the violent rhetoric). To continue the metaphor, very rarely is it an effective strategy to lose a battle in order to win a war. Rather, it's more effective to attempt to win every battle. Since we are "at war" with those who really want to magically wipe guns off the face of the earth, it makes it more difficult to even engage in compromise because one knows their intent and desired end game. It isn't as if it will end with the destruction of 33rd magazines. Then it will be 19 rd magazines, then 17, then 15, then 13, 12, 10...some anti-gunner somewhere will always see a problem with the number of rounds a person can carry in a loaded firearm - because the realization is that, to them, even one round is too many. So, why concede even one denomination to those who seek to eliminate all of them?
There was one and only one failure in the system which caused the Tuscon incident - his parents. They absolutely knew their son had mental health issues and they did not address those issues. They stuck their head in the sand and allowed their son to kill those people. I'm sure they feel tremendous guilt over that fact, in retrospect. The only lesson to be learned here is that you have a responsibility to society to steward your loved ones who are mentally ill, even if it is uncomfortable or embarrassing.