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Originally Posted by Willravel
I want you to imagine a world where the government had no guns, dk. Think about that.
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I do. alot. police kill about 30-35 people a month. imagine 300-350 more people being alive if police were disarmed.
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Originally Posted by Willravel
Can you name a real life instance of an extended clip meaning the difference between life and death against a criminal?
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the point is not to prove it's happened, just that the possibility is there.
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Originally Posted by Willravel
Yeah, but it's a practical use for a gun and it's important for this militia to stay well regulated and all that.
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lots of tools have practical uses. Why aren't you well regulated?
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Originally Posted by roachboy
so long as the debate is framed as if "the law abiding citizen" is entitled to any weapon and ammunition in any amount with any means of delivery at all then there is no middle ground. i think that's the point of the politics of framing around this debate. the gun lobby has no institutional interest in there being a middle ground because they see that as possible defeat for them, with attending losses of revenue. the approach would have to be that fewer weapons available that are more difficult to get is a socially desirable goal in itself and those tighter across-the-board controls be implemented.
but i agree that there seems to be no middle ground at the moment.
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why should there be a middle ground? when you have to bargain with that which you already have, you're going to lose in the end.
and kudos to you for keeping up with goebbels and the gun lobby revenue myth.
