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Old 01-05-2011, 02:16 PM   #31 (permalink)
aceventura3
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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru View Post
Yes, it's a bit distracting.
What I find distracting is responce to trivial matters while ignoring major points.

For example:

There is a definite correlation with fear and age. If there is a correlation with fear and conservatism it has more to do with the fact that older people are more conservative than younger people.

Another point, both conservatives and liberals have fears, some are irrational. A liberal is more likely to understand a response to the fears of other liberals based on shared points of view, even when those fears or the responses are irrational - same with conservatives. Based on ideology people tend to find some irrational fears or responses acceptable.

Another point - humans respond to fear in predictable ways.

The premise in the original post's citation has obvious holes.

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You're not going to talk me out of my knowledge that eating too much salt, animal fat, and refined carbohydrates is bad for your health.

First that is not my position. I agree "too much" can be bad, even "too much" water can be bad for one's health. Second, a bad diet has more to do with not having access to low cost alternatives. In urban areas in the US fresh fruit and vegetables are extremely costly compared to processed food. The obvious answer is not to attack processed food, but to make alternatives available at a low cost. Poor people will drink more orange juice than orange soda, if the orange juice cost less than orange soda.

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Also, I'm unaware of people who want to ban McDonald's.
Again, not my point. There are people who want to ban Happy Meals. There are people who want to ban soda for children. People who want to regulate salt content in restaurant prepared meals. We even have the government banning certain drinks containing alcohol and caffeine. It is getting ridiculous. Why are they doing this? Why do they think this way? I don't get it.

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I suppose I would rank those people right up there with the people who are afraid the government is going to take away all the guns. You know, extremists.
I was raised in the Chicago area. They banned gun ownership, basically making hundreds of thousands of regular law abiding people criminals overnight. Yet, the city is not safer. You can bet if I lived in the city of Chicago, I would own a gun. if you consider a man who wants to protect his family and property an extremist, color me an extremist along with hundreds of thousands of others who live in the city - a city with one of the highest murder rates in the country. Generations of liberal leadership in the city has failed. Yes, I fear government incompetence.

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So to summarize, 1) you won't convince me that McDonald's is healthy, 2) I don't support the idea of a Food Police, and 3) if you are afraid of America becoming a totalitarian state, you're being a bit irrational to say the least.
I do have some irrational fears. But, even knowing they are irrational, those irrational fears cause known and predictable reactions in me. I have taken the time to understand this and I work on it. You seem to suggest that you don't have any irrational fears, is that truly the case?

I might add that it requires an objective and detached self analysis to even be able to understand when a personally held fear is irrational. Most people won't do that type of self analysis. This topic is one that I have given a lot of thought to.
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