bag- a good point. Individuals are all the ends don't justify the means. But anything bigger, corporations, law enforcement, countries, states, etc. the ends DO justify the means.
drj- I'm not sure you entirely realize what its meant when the ends justify the means. For instance, stem cell research. At an extreme end we could purposefully end pregnancies on 40% of the population or on anyone who has more the one kid. Most people wouldn't agree there that the ends justify the means (even though the end is huge medical discoveries). But its just because its babies. And they're cute. Its like if we have hatred or indifference then the ends DO justify the means, but if its something cute we have to stomp on the they don't. Its very biased.
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