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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru
I'm sure America was built on compromise.
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There was no compromise with the British. America was founded based on a core belief of independence (general on purpose) and went to war for that belief.
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The inability and/or unwillingness to compromise is a feature of dictators.
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I don't understand your point of view. Can you share some real examples of core beliefs worthy of compromise? I can not think of any, but I can think of many that real, honest, non-dictators have been willing to risk everything for, including life.
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Ace, what you're hinting at with regard to compromise suggests that Democrats shouldn't stop being Democrats and Republicans shouldn't stop being Republicans. That's pretty simple, I think.
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I rarely hint at what I try to communicate. I think Republicans should fight for what they believe in and Democrats should do the same. Finding common ground is not compromise. For example if I have a price range in mind for buying a car, and you have a price range in mind for selling it. If our ranges overlap, we have a deal. If they don't overlap, you compromise and we have a deal.
If you don't compromise, in the example above, I walk, but if you can convince me of some value I did not see or understand - I would change my price range. I don't see that as compromise, I see that as changing my belief based on new information.
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Originally Posted by dc_dux
You would be out on the fringe (say hi to Sarah P for me)...sticking to your extremist ideology and getting nothing in return because you could never get the votes needed....starving, but patting each other on the back that you refused to compromise.
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Like Sara Palin, I would go to the negotiation table expecting to win. I would go to the table with a strategy to win. I perceive Obama's problem and your problem is that you go to the table expecting to compromise. With that knowledge, people like me and Palin will get what we want. I understand that you don't see this the way I do, that is not my problem. However, Obama represents this country on an international scale and he represents government to the business community. His perceived weakness and lack of conviction is my problem. Put this issue in perspective - was it all over a top tax rate swing of 4% points? It was not. I doubt you get what it was about and I doubt Obama does either.
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And I would be more pragmatic, accepting the fact that I might not get the whole loaf of bread that I want, but enjoying the benefits of the half that I can get.
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Look at it this way if your resolve is 100 and mine is 100 and we have equal power and conflicting views of a point, the breakdown of those resolve numbers will determine the outcome, regardless of your pretense regarding compromise.
{added} I was just re-reading some of this stuff, and I am happy for the opportunity to interact with the line of thought some of you have here. I am going to have a conversation with my son on these issues, my fear is that he may get corrupted with this over-zealousness and fantasifull view on compromise. Thanks