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Originally Posted by dc_dux
ace...my problem with your concept of "American values" is when you (and those who share your values) suggest your values are MORE American than those with whom you disagree.
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Either my point of view is twisted or yours is. The use of the term "more" in this context does not reflect superiority or inferiority in my opinion. A Chevy is more reflective of American values than a Cadillac - I say so what? My next car could be a Chevy or it could be a Cadillac - I determine what I value.
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And btw, Mayor Anthony Fox is black and a Democrat.
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The point was that the there is a misconception that Democrats are materially ahead of Republicans on the issue of gay rights and acceptance. The thought that a major story locally would be the Mayor meeting with the "gay community" in 2010 says we (all of us) have a long way to go.
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We'll talk again when you can point to an openly gay man or woman or a Muslim winning a Republican primary.
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No we won't - because i don't care and I would not even know if a man or woman in elected office is gay or not unless they made a point of it. In my book there is no need to make a point of it.
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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru
I thought the only values that could be considered "American" are liberty and justice within the context of a democratic society.
All other values are across the board and should be defended because of the values mentioned above.
I find discussions of values often occur as though the 20th century never happened, but that's just me, maybe I'm hallucinating.
Correction: I find that discussions of values often occur as though people want to undo what happened in the 20th century. The call to "return to core American values" to me sound like "let's get rid of the social progressivism of the 20th century."
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A core question - what are those things that make cultures unique or identifiable?
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Originally Posted by roachboy
there are a lot of conservatives who can't cope with the fact that value is a rhetoric, ...
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Just stopping right there from your post. It makes me think that a person who believes the above has no foundation upon which they measure their purpose or course in life and that they would drift aimlessly.
Even in failure to live up to values, those that have them have a guidepost.