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Originally Posted by mrmacq
"the fertile cresent"
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When was the last time you were in Iraq son?
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ya figure their so dumb
(your opposition)
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No,
they're receiving their money from outside sources. AQI is not internally funded, and takes both money and direction from outside sources, sources that now have local intelligence thanks to leaks like this.
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now heres the deal dude
they just want the invaders out
wouldnt you?
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"They" being the foreign fighters from Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Chechnya, etc. who are chopping off heads and floating them down the Tigris?
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they werent doing that badly
before you decided your presence was needed
(whole other ball of wax)
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I decided no such thing. Iraq was a huge mistake, but it is the reality with which we must now deal. Aside from providing people like you with a smug sense of satisfaction, these leaks have done nothing but made life much more difficult for the men and women trying to patch that country up enough for us to get out.
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holy crap dude
1954
Guatemala — CIA overthrows the democratically elected Jacob Arbenz in a military coup. Arbenz has threatened to nationalize the Rockefeller-owned United Fruit Company, in which CIA Director Allen Dulles also owns stock. Arbenz is replaced with a series of right-wing dictators whose bloodthirsty policies will kill over 100,000 Guatemalans in the next 40 years.
off to a great start
1954-1958
North Vietnam — CIA officer Edward Lansdale spends four years trying to overthrow the communist government of North Vietnam, using all the usual dirty tricks. The CIA also attempts to legitimize a tyrannical puppet regime in South Vietnam, headed by Ngo Dinh Diem. These efforts fail to win the hearts and minds of the South Vietnamese because the Diem government is opposed to true democracy, land reform and poverty reduction measures. The CIA’s continuing failure results in escalating American intervention, culminating in the Vietnam War.
oh theres more
1956
Hungary — Radio Free Europe incites Hungary to revolt by broadcasting Khruschev’s Secret Speech, in which he denounced Stalin. It also hints that American aid will help the Hungarians fight. This aid fails to materialize as Hungarians launch a doomed armed revolt, which only invites a major Soviet invasion. The conflict kills 7,000 Soviets and 30,000 Hungarians.
oh my
the track record
1957-1973
Laos — The CIA carries out approximately one coup per year trying to nullify Laos’ democratic elections. The problem is the Pathet Lao, a leftist group with enough popular support to be a member of any coalition government. In the late 50s, the CIA even creates an "Armee Clandestine" of Asian mercenaries to attack the Pathet Lao. After the CIA’s army suffers numerous defeats, the U.S. starts bombing, dropping more bombs on Laos than all the U.S. bombs dropped in World War II. A quarter of all Laotians will eventually become refugees, many living in caves.
god but we is impressed
oh hang on
you didnt know this?
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Know what? Your first four Wikipedia hits? Several of my relatives were killed in the '56 revolution (which would have happened with or without US promises of aid), but I appreciate you using it as a talking point. I never said the US foreign policy was perfect, or even enlightened. I just said it did more good than harm. Have you forgotten the
SOVIETS? We did some really shitty stuff in the name of fighting them, but look at the alternatives...