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Originally Posted by debaser
I think the word you are looking fo is shitty, not corrupt. States act in their own rational self interest, and perhaps the US and China feel that it is not in theirs to participate in the climate summit. This may be a shocker, but countries do not always do what they say, or say what they do...
Now if you could show me a memo that demonstrated that the administration acted only after accepting a payoff from the oil industry or somesuch, I will join you with torches at the gate...
And undermines it.
Do we overclassify? You bet. I have to deal with it every day, and it is a major pain in the ass. Is it for the purposes of denying you your rights? Absolutely not. Information is generally classified at the lowest, most operational levels and continues to be classified as it becomes part of larger issues not because there is an evil scheme to hide problems from the voter (though that is a "convenient" side effect), but because it is an arduous process to declassify anything that has been classified. There are people whos sole job it is to declassify information. They are pitted against the entire lower tiers of the government beaurocracy, all of whom are classifying stuff like mad.
Example:
An Army private (not the treasonous kind) sits at a secret computer creating documents from patrol debreifs in Iraq. He is 19 years old, and wishes to avoid being shit on and/or missing dinner, both of which can be caused by pissing off his platoon sergeant. He has been told that he has the authority to determine the classification level (up to secret) of any document he creates. He has also been told that any information that comes off of his computer is to be treated as secret as a matter of course. The shit on a shingle and XBOX are calling. What do you think he is going to do once he is done with a routine patrol debreif that contains NO classified material whatsoever?
Yep.
Now if anyone wants to use the information contained in that report they must hold a secret clearance or , if they wish to release it to individuals who do not hold clearances, they must take it to the proper declassification authority. In that case that authority is the US Army. The Army has people trained and authorized to declassify information. There are about 2 of them for every 4500 soldiers. They must review the document and view it in the both current and possible future operational contexts before deciding to declassify it.
But wait! There's more...
I think it will lead to a far more draconian classification system that will not only prevent the proper dissemination of information to the public, but hamper the very agencies that make use of it legitimately on a day to day basis...
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"Let's pretend that patrol gave a pump to a village so they could grow whatever the fuck grows in that godforsaken shithole.
hmmmm
unthinking asumptions
we shall let it pass
though it smacks of ignorance
"the fertile cresent"
http://visav.phys.uvic.ca/~babul/Ast...sopotamia1.gif
A state department dude thinks that's pretty cool, and puts it in his report which also contains information from the CIA on friendly villages in the area which was classified to prevent removal of said village elders heads."
so what?
ya figure their so dumb
(your opposition)
as to not figure out which tribal leaders
dont wish to progress?
where do you think this is?
alabama?
now heres the deal dude
they just want the invaders out
wouldnt you?
they werent doing that badly
before you decided your presence was needed
(whole other ball of wax)
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Originally Posted by debaser
y, which, despite your personal greivances, has probably done more good than ill over the years.
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holy crap dude
1954
Guatemala — CIA overthrows the democratically elected Jacob Arbenz in a military coup. Arbenz has threatened to nationalize the Rockefeller-owned United Fruit Company, in which CIA Director Allen Dulles also owns stock. Arbenz is replaced with a series of right-wing dictators whose bloodthirsty policies will kill over 100,000 Guatemalans in the next 40 years.
off to a great start
1954-1958
North Vietnam — CIA officer Edward Lansdale spends four years trying to overthrow the communist government of North Vietnam, using all the usual dirty tricks. The CIA also attempts to legitimize a tyrannical puppet regime in South Vietnam, headed by Ngo Dinh Diem. These efforts fail to win the hearts and minds of the South Vietnamese because the Diem government is opposed to true democracy, land reform and poverty reduction measures. The CIA’s continuing failure results in escalating American intervention, culminating in the Vietnam War.
oh theres more
1956
Hungary — Radio Free Europe incites Hungary to revolt by broadcasting Khruschev’s Secret Speech, in which he denounced Stalin. It also hints that American aid will help the Hungarians fight. This aid fails to materialize as Hungarians launch a doomed armed revolt, which only invites a major Soviet invasion. The conflict kills 7,000 Soviets and 30,000 Hungarians.
oh my
the track record
1957-1973
Laos — The CIA carries out approximately one coup per year trying to nullify Laos’ democratic elections. The problem is the Pathet Lao, a leftist group with enough popular support to be a member of any coalition government. In the late 50s, the CIA even creates an "Armee Clandestine" of Asian mercenaries to attack the Pathet Lao. After the CIA’s army suffers numerous defeats, the U.S. starts bombing, dropping more bombs on Laos than all the U.S. bombs dropped in World War II. A quarter of all Laotians will eventually become refugees, many living in caves.
god but we is impressed
oh hang on
you didnt know this?
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Originally Posted by Willravel
You're welcome to post like that, but I've not read any of your posts because they're a pain to read.
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so i trust you wont be blaming me
when ya miss something ive posted?
oh
call me slow
could have sworn ya said ya havent read any
no disrespect guys (gals)
but its how i write
its how i get my thoughts out
the only way i know how
i trust respect is a two way street?