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Originally Posted by Willravel
This is the point, debaser:
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Handjobs from asian girls?
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Wikileaks is a check to balance out power that's wildly one-sided in this world. You and I have almost no power whatsoever, but because of organizations like wikileaks, we get some of the power that's taken from us back. They're giving us the tools to determine if the power we're giving up should be given up, so we can decide with all of the information if the government or corporations really are working in the best interest of the people. In that way, its truly democratic.
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BS. They are giving you information that you have no business knowing at that level of detail which simply reinforces the way you believed anyway. The purpose of REAL journalists is to provide information in a way that is not harmful to the source and puts it in proper context. Wikileaks fail.
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No offense, but I think you're being naive. Classified documents about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan would have meant a solid Kerry win in 2004. Don't fool yourself: those in power use secrecy as a way to maintain and grow their power at your expense.
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Sigh...
Reread my post.
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Wikileaks (not Assange) is hosting information leaked by someone else. It's a media outlet. They've demonstrated they have no axe to grind and the documents they've 'dumped' have all been vetted by experts and the offer was even made to have the US government go through them just to be sure. That request was denied.
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He is the founder of Wikileaks, so I hold him responsible. It is as much of a "media outlet" as Photobucket. It was also making available documents to the agents of nations hostile to the United States, in direct violation of United States law. Why would any government, or individual, essentially help someone hock goods that had been stolen from them?
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I hate to break it to you, but this was all fairly well known long before the leak. The cable is a bit more public here in the states than, say, al Jazeera or Haaretz, but really people pretending like this is a big deal stinks of red herring.
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So at the beginning of your post they were game changing tools to restore democracy, and now they are no big deal? Which one is it? My beef is that they were classified and could damage our foriegn policy, which, despite your personal greivances, has probably done more good than ill over the years.
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You're allowing the complete fuckwad morons on Fox News to blur the reality of this situation. They're trying to make it about Assange, but he's basically just a figurehead. The dump has nothing at all to do with Assange aside from the fact he's one cog of many in the machine of wikileaks. Assange is not a criminal, he's not an egomaniac, and he's not the issue. The issue is the documents.
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In 1992, he pleaded guilty to 24 charges of hacking and was released on bond for good conduct after being fined AU$2100.
If he is not an egomaniac then why has he threatend to release more damaging documents without even the amature redaction attempted on the earlier ones? It seem an awful lot like he is making it about himself. Add to that the legion of scriptkittys that are basking in his 15 minutes, and I think it is pretty hard to separate the man from his creation. Remember also that he has the final word as to what is published on his site.
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I cannot say this enough: ignore Orly, Beck, Libaugh, Hannity and their ilk. This isn't a right/left thing, they're corrupt liars and anyone who listens to them will end up with a warped and incorrect understanding of reality. Ignore them.
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I do not watch Fox News, or any of the people you named.