Thread: kill the poor
View Single Post
Old 12-09-2010, 09:57 AM   #1 (permalink)
roachboy
 
roachboy's Avatar
 
Super Moderator
Location: essex ma
kill the poor

every once in a while i find information that puts class war american style into a certain perspective. this morning's installment started here:


Quote:
There are roughly 2.3 million people in jails and prisons in America, more than any country in the world.

The United States has 756 people in jail per 100,000 people. No other country has more than 700, and only two are over 600 Russia (629) and Rwanda (604).

Of the 2.3 million people in American jails, 806,000 are black males. African-Americans--males and females--make up .6 percent of the entire world's population, but African-American males--alone--make up 8 percent of the entire world's prison population. I know there are people who think some kind of demon culture could create a world where a group that makes up roughly one in 200 citizens of the world, comprises one in 12 of its prisoners. But I kind of doubt it.

One final thought: If you released every black male in prison, our prison population would stand at 1.5 million, leaving us, still, with the second largest prison population in the world. Only China--a country with four times as many people--would have more (and barely--1.57 million). Russia would be a distant third with 890,000.
Hoodlums - Ta-Nehisi Coates - National - The Atlantic


just in case you don't believe this and want the data in an easy to access form:

ICPS :School of Law :King's College London : World Prison Brief : King's College London


meanwhile, england is moving away from some of the more draconian conservative "ideas" for addressing the consequences of their degenerate views on social policy---abandoning mandatory sentencing, expanding judicial discretion, etc.:

Latest news on the criminal justice system, sentencing policy, prisons and life after jail | Society | guardian.co.uk


what this looks like is a criminalization of class conflict, a decision taken by conservatives while in power to make criminal courts less flexible, expand the range of actionable crimes and essentially use the prison system as a mechanism for siphoning off the social tensions created by their emphasis on military keynesian policies combined with a massive transfer of wealth away from 80% of the population.

what i can't figure out is why on earth anyone imagines that these outcomes are ok.

oops (posted by mistake)...

i suppose this comes to a basic philosophical question though.

do you see these rather shocking numbers concerning prison population as a reflection of neo-liberal (conservative in the states) social policy?

conversely, do you think that a more even distribution of wealth would impact upon these numbers?
or is it more a matter of smaller initiatives like, say, dismantling mandatory sentencing?

why don't more people hear about the incarceration rate more of the time?
have you noticed that when this issue pops momentarily into the "free" press, it does so around issues of prison overcrowding, which is typically presented without much context?

this is obviously a broad topic---maybe things can be narrowed or refined or questions posed or changed if the discussion takes hold...
__________________
a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle
spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear

it make you sick.

-kamau brathwaite

Last edited by roachboy; 12-09-2010 at 10:05 AM..
roachboy is offline  
 

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360