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Sorry Pikuach nefesh does not mean you should be having sex outside of marriage. If you are saying someone puts a gun to your head and says have sex with this person who has aids and if you want use a condom, yeah I will give it to you. Just to have sex with someone and use that as a rule well now safety sorry don't put yourself in a "dangerous situation."
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Xazy this isn't an election year debate, my post is
right there. If you go off on a tangent about abstinence-outside-of-marriage people aren't going to forget what I said and suddenly think I said something different, they'll scroll up a bit and go "Wtf, Shadowex3 never even mentioned marriage".
Before I make that even easier for them though let me just point out that
married people get HIV too, and not always from sex. Especially in a war-torn third world hell like south africa.
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Not an orthodox Jewish one, no ding with no ring, yep marriage is a must, and condoms is a no no.
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saying that you're going to be permitting the use of condoms to prevent HIV transmission (and thus directly save human life) is by definition a very orthodox jewish line of reasoning.
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Orthodox Jewish (which happens to be identical to orthodox EVERYONE'S) views on premarital sex simply have no bearing on Pikuach Nefesh's affirmative requirement that people act to preserve life. Maybe they're married, maybe they're not.
I didn't specify because it isn't relevant, which is the really pathetic thing since you've gone through all the trouble of loudly embarassing yourself by ranting about something totally irrelevant to my point.
It's like if I brought up that the laws of kashrut for fish state they must have fins and scales and then you go off ranting about lighting fires on Shabbat. Great that you know the law but it's completely irrelevant to whether or not fins and scales make a fish Kosher. Just like Orthodox Judaism sharing the pretty much universal view of abstinence until marriage has absolutely no bearing on whether or not the pope's argument that it's permissible to use a condom to protect someone from HIV because it's directly saving lives is a very jewish argument.
Jumping at every mention of condoms and protection as being automatically some kind of campaign for premarital sex is just ridiculous.