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Originally Posted by dc_dux
ace, never let the facts get in the way of your American values! You really stepped in it this time.
Sure, the number of uninsured and the cost of premiums have gone up in the last year.....both have gone up for the last 10+ years.
So you blame the health care reform enacted this year, most of which wont go into effect until 2014....and that the majority of Americans dont want repealed, despite all the demagoguery and outright lies about the legislation by the right.
The only thing you have demonstrated is that those on the right have values that are no more American than anyone elses....they are just more intolerant of opposing views.
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I know the trends, my point is that legislation could have been passed that had an immediate impact on improving the trends and I would have considered that good legislation. In addition I see no evidence that the legislation will do what was promised and they even said that they would need to fix it. There are a few threads on this topic, my position is go all the way with single payer or fine tune the system as suggested by many Republicans - what we have now is an unfolding disaster.
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Originally Posted by mixedmedia
whoo boy, ya got love it when the argument comes down to 'people with real American values,' catchphrase for 'Americans who think just like me'
I'm an American and I assert that my values are both real and American.
What's more, my parents live in NC and they're both hardworking (now retired) liberals and I assert that their values are both real and American, too. They are comfortable money-wise, maybe even well-off by some standards, yet they live modestly, give freely, pay their taxes and obey the law. Ooh, lawdy, the horror.
It's really sickening, how nonchalantly conservatives dismiss what is still a very prevalent and meaningful sector of the American populace as 'not really American-like.' pfft. Do you ever stop to ask yourself who the hell you think you are when you and your friends go blathering on about 'real Americans'?
Yet somehow we are the elitists. Unbelievable.
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Again, I share my personal experiences and I paraphrase what I hear - I am like the messenger. Similar to another exchange, it seems that putting a real issue on the table is met with contempt. Do you want to pretend the feeling I described are not real? Again, I say put them on the table and discuss them.