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Originally Posted by dc_dux
There is no evidence in exit polls or post-election polling data that the anti-Pelosi message worked.
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Perhaps there are other means for uncovering facts. But, it does not matter - believe what you want.
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There is little evidence that the bills you dont like (bad bills) had any impact.
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How about this fact on health care reform:
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Nearly 50 million Americans have gone without health insurance for at least part of the past year — up from 46 million people in 2008, federal health officials reported Tuesday.
Those people included not only those Americans living in poverty, but an increasing number of middle-income people, according to a report from the U.S.
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Number of uninsured U.S. adults hits record high - USATODAY.com
Bad legislation! Premiums going up, more uninsured, less choices, they even said let's get it passed and then fix it and they can not communicate why the bill is a good bill to the public. You think this is good leadership?
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The demagoguery of Pelosi was political theater - a sidebar to make the extremists happy.
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Are you ignoring facts? What happened in the elections was not about extremists.
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The Democrats lost for one reason - because they were not able to turn the economy around quickly enough, even though the stimulus stopped the economy from an even greater collapse (according to a broad consensus of economists across the political spectrum...with the exception, of course, of the libertarians).
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They made the economy worse.
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Originally Posted by Willravel
What exactly is it about San Fransisco liberals that would make you think we don't have "American values"?
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What do they have against Happy Meals???? Let's start with that. 20% of the working population in this country worked at McDonald's at one time, about 60 million. I would guess almost every child has enjoyed a Happy Meal. Let parents, parent - isn;t that an American value.
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Originally Posted by Tully Mars
I'm really sick of the "real American" BS line being used by the right.
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I am the "right", I admit it and I am open about it - I love talking politics and I will even start a conversation standing in line at the grocery store. What I wrote was based on hundreds of either short or long conversations with people - those were their words. Some conservative, many middle of the road, and even some who voted for Obama.
If you are inclined, go out and talk to 25 people, outside of your normal circle, about politics over the weekend and tell us what you find.
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Originally Posted by YaWhateva
And those are people with 'real American values' while people from San Francisco cannot fathom what those are? That line of thinking is ridiculous. Am I less real of an American with real American values because I'm from New Mexico than someone from Alabama? Am I more real than someone from New York? It makes absolutely no sense.
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Again, not my words.
Here is my take on this based on my conversations. Most of these people live their day to day lives and don't get passionate about politics, but what has been occurring has sparked a passion that they don't normally have - many are for lack of a better term, p!ssed off, and they do think their way of life is being threatened. Like I suggested above, go out and talk to people and see, again people who would not normally talk to and listen.