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Old 11-04-2010, 03:51 PM   #29 (permalink)
dksuddeth
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Personal responsibly does not need to be taken into account within the concept of absolute freedom. With absolute freedom, personal responsibility is optional.
I disagree.

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What you're talking about is another matter, not absolute freedom, and it predates the time of America's founding fathers by at least several decades, if not centuries. Could you provide any examples of specific ideas that imply that freedom and liberty exist outside of the state and state authority, one that you'd subscribe to?
a person has the absolute right, freedom, and liberty to preserve their own life. Self preservation is at the heart of right to life. It exists outside of the state nor does it require the state authority to acknowledge. It doesn't require anything but your own determination if your life is at risk.

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I mean, why form a government at all?
The US government was formed to protect the rights of the people and to provide fair and equitable opportunity for individuals to be free and prosper.

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Are you talking about Kant's categorical imperative? Buddhism's Four Noble Truths and Noble Eightfold Path?
I'm talking about the simple human trait that everyone knows right from wrong.
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