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Old 10-29-2010, 07:32 AM   #50 (permalink)
Radd McCool
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Originally Posted by Cimarron29414 View Post
...and no, Radd McCool, it should not be fixed. It should be phased out.
I'll take your dropping the 'framing issue' as conceding that yes, it's totally up-front framing.
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Put on your big boy pants, save your 3.5% yourself in a Roth IRA and retire a millionaire...
You're telling that to the guy who's tightening up his budget every month trying to hit 10%. (And Ad hom is really bad form. It also sucks.)
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and for the record, until this thread, I have never called SS a Ponzi Scheme.
Why'd you point this out?
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I believe its existence to be outside of the responsibilities of the Federal government.
So it's ideologically out of synch. Got it.
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I believe it is a program which denies Americans the opportunity to grow wealth
Turns out I can't do something as simple as embedding graphs until I have 15 posts. Or even linking to the graphs. But I was going to post a bunch about how people are going into more and more debt, spending down their savings, seeing trouble with real wages, etc. Government has to play to not only the behavior of the population, but their economic environment. Something like Social Security does that in a way which is beneficial to the whole of society. Utility/Practically > Ideology
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so that the government can maintain control over an element of their lives. I believe it is a wedge issue which politicians balloon to maintain or exchange control of the government.
I am 90% certain that you are saying this for the same reason you called it a PONZI scheme. It's like a prop or something. I mean, can you explain that? The first part is basically meaningless, the second party seems to play a broader context which is simply you conflating different contexts and not seeing a problem

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Originally Posted by Cimarron29414
all international aid should be cut until we are debt free as a nation. Even then, the federal government should not be giving money to foreign lands as aid, that's what charity is for and Americans are the most charitable people in the world.
Foreign aid lubricates soft power. The notion that it's charity is propaganda. Foreign Aid as goodCharity or badCharity both are propaganda. Take a look at the Gulf of Guinea. We're going to be getting tons of oil and natural gas from them and you know what got us in the ground floor? Foreign Aid, amongst other things. And now we're going to enjoy being first at the table for some totally bitching resource flows. This is part and parcel to what it takes to keep up first world standards of living and foreign aid is a tiny, tiny part of our budget and we get lots of cool stuff for it.
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