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Old 10-27-2010, 10:41 AM   #94 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru View Post
I think it's rather more like "being dealt with." There are people who deal with these things. But they have a lot stacked against them.
I don't think any of these issues are being effectively dealt with, and my observation of the posts responding to me here is that there is a preference to pretend problems like this are no longer real. That it is better to shun and ridicule people when they have the courage to openly and honestly attempt to handle fears that they know are irrational. When a person like Williams talks about his fear and talks about how it is irrational - to me he is closer to the solution than those who would want to pretend the fears are not real.

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I'm not sure how useful this questions is. For starters, I don't know Obama's politics on the individual level. I suppose I could look to his record as a senator. Even then, I'm not that steeped in American politics to know the significance of a senator's actions and whether he or she is acting as a liberal vs. a centrist.
Can you give an example of a known liberal?

Even on this question, if I don't know what I am talking about I am open to being educated. However, I am accused of not knowing what I am talking about in very cryptic ways.

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Obama is the president, but he's also a member of the Democratic Party. It's my understanding that he needs the support of enough of his party to get things done. This is politics.
It's also my understanding that the Democratic Party as a whole comes across as largely centrist, or Third Way.
Again, I use the example of DADT, Obama can get this done. Most Americans would support eliminating this policy, his party supports eliminating this policy, what is centrist about him not getting it done?

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The upcoming election isn't about whether "the left" will lose out to the Republicans. It's a question of whether we'll see the erosion of the centre.
Generally, there is no center. There is no compromise on the big questions of the day. We fight in Afghanistan or we don't. We use debt to stimulate economic growth or we don't. We have DADT or we don't. We believe the private sector through tax cuts does better creating jobs or we think the government is. We support the right to own guns or we don't.


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I think roachboy means this relative to the actual left. Social democrats, for example.
Perhaps, he can expand on this - it is not clear to me.
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