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Originally Posted by tasineah
the way to degrade a man is to call him a woman. He isnt being called feminine because its a good thing..he is being callled feminine because its a bad thing...
historically...want to tear down a man? Call him a woman...
on with the real show....
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And somehow women are immune to this? Completely and utterly untrue.
If you've ever been around female athletes, you'd know that outside of competition and practice they tend to be overly feminine. Watch women basketball players, track athletes, soccer players, etc. It's something that transcends any specific culture since you see it equally with Kenyan distance runners, Chinese soccer players and American basketball players. They're all equally afraid of being seen as too masculine.
I think that you'd also find that the vast majority of people everywhere (my guess is upwards of 90%, but that's a guess) would find it very upsetting to consistently be mistaken for the other gender or have some confusion about which gender they are.
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Originally Posted by ZombieSquirrel
Women also have a need to be needed...to be the caregiver. It's all in how you look at it.
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ZS, I think that if you take a step back and try to look at that statement through genderless eyes, you'll see how inherently flawed it is. There are lots of woment that don't feel that need. There are lots of men that do. Western cultural history has evolved within the past few decades to allow those individuals that do or don't feel compelled to nuture to follow that instinct. I know several gay and lesbian couples with children with a stay-at-home parent.
We ALL feel the need to be needed in one way or another. I'll go so far as to say that those that don't feel that need (whether it be as a parent, fire support squad, teammate, neighbor, friend, etc.) are social outcasts. Trying to draw a gender line through that human need seems pointless.
In other words, don't imply that dad loves the kids less because he's not home all day. There are other forces at work, not the least of which is economic.
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Originally Posted by Willravel
Needy women are a huge turn-off. While I understand that occasionally a woman likes to have a shoulder to cry on and welcomes healthy emotional support, I absolutely do not believe women are somehow inherently weaker than men and require special care due to their gender.
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Needy people are a turnoff.
But your point about women who manipulate emotions and gender roles for a desired response is well-taken.